Talk:Zygmunt Berling

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was arrested by the Soviet Union' secret police, the NKVD Or declared the will to cooperate? Xx236 11:45, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

The Warsaw Uprisig
With his own army stopped on the Vistula river and facing Warsaw itself, and without first consulting his Soviet superiors, Zygmunt Berling issued orders to engage the German enemy and to come to the aid of the Polish resistance. As his Soviet Generals wanted the Uprising to fail, Berling was dismissed from his post and transferred to the War Academy in Moscow, where he remained until returning to Poland in 1947.

It's a myth. Xx236 11:52, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Could you provide source for this?--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 14:29, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

Could you provide source for the story in the article? Xx236 06:15, 18 May 2006 (UTC)


 * It's rather a common knowledge and as such is mentioned in every notable publication, from Warsaw Rising by Davies to Powstanie Warszawskie by Kirchmayer, to memoirs by Berling himself (Wspomnienia, vol. 1 and 2). What differs is the details. For instance, Davies claims that, while Berling did not consult Moscow, he did consult his direct superior Rokossowski (pp. 480-484, excerpt here). The stance of the Soviet generals and the Soviet command in general is well-described in the book by Davies as well (won't tell the exact pages as basically half of the book is devoted to that). Here it is mentioned that Berling's dismissal was directly related to the Warsaw Uprising. This version is also mentioned in this article by Maciej Rybiński (Warning! .doc document). Kirchmayer also mentions that the cooperation with Soviet forces was insufficient (eventhough it is clear his book was heavily-edited by the censorship, at least the edition I have on my bookshelf). And so on, and so forth. Now the ball's on your court, I believe.  // Halibutt 09:50, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

Berling's goal was to get control of Warsaw for the Soviets, not to help the London government. He poorly commanded, lost soldiers and resources, poorly coordinated with other commanders. It was exactly the reason to be removed. He acted in the structures of the Red Army, obtained resources (e.g. boats) not for fishing but for passing Vistula. "Sierżant" discusses the problem: http://www.drugawojnaswiatowa.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=9749&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0&sid=898d82dd22bed7db663ee442b46cfd25 unfortunately there is no answere there, do you know it?

This article confirms my story. http://www.polishnews.com/text/history/powstanie_warszawskie_1944_7.html

Here is a quote from Davies: http://ww2.tvp.pl/1986,20040831116278.strona Xx236 12:38, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

I don't know the problem, so I haven't edited the article. I would like to be wrong, to preserve the myth of heroic general. Xx236 06:48, 23 May 2006 (UTC)


 * There's little of the heroic general myth in this article. However, the fact remains that his biography was far from being black and white, contrary to many other Soviet military people of the time.  // Halibutt 10:50, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

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BetacommandBot (talk) 08:22, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Ethnic Problems?
In the Early Life section the article states "Berling initially retired from active duty in June 1939 because of his ethic problems." What is that suppose to mean? Dr. Dan (talk) 14:56, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

B-class review
This article is currently at start/C class, but could be improved to B-class if it had more (inline) citations. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; talk to me 00:19, 16 May 2012 (UTC)

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