Template:Did you know nominations/1888 Michigan Wolverines football team

1888 Michigan Wolverines football team
Created/expanded by Cbl62 (talk). Self nom at 04:55, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
 * ... that Theodore Roosevelt quipped in 1888 that he had "no fear of the murderous Sioux or of a cattle stampede," but that it was "not healthy to get in the way of the U. of M. rugby team" (pictured)?




 * Symbol delete vote.svg Nominator has more than five DYKs. They need to review an article.
 * Symbol confirmed.svg Newness and length check out. Article is fully supported by inline citations. Image has a copyright notice that works.  Article reads as neutral enough.  Hook is supported by the text in the article and by sources. Hook is properly formatted.
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 * Symbol question.svg Second opinion desired on the neutrality of the hook. The quote is historical but possibly overly cautious in thinking it might offend.

Nominator needs to review an article. Second opinion required on hook neutrality. --LauraHale (talk) 05:47, 12 March 2012 (UTC) Cbl62 (talk) 00:27, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I have now completed a QPQ review here: Template:Did you know nominations/List of Indiana state historical markers. TR's comments certainly can be viewed as offensive today (particularly in light of the Wounded Knee Massacre two years after the comment), but it is an accurate historical quote reflecting common sentiment among white Americans in the years following the Battle of Little Big Horn.  I personally think we should avoid censoring the use of such historical comments, but if others feel the hook must be modified, let me know, and I'll try to come up with something else.
 * Actually the hook misrepresents the facts: Roosevelt said that it was unhealthy to stand in the way of the team-that is true-but the writer of the source was the one who described Roosevelt as not fearing the "murderous Sioux". It does not said that that statement was part of his quip. I think you need a new hook.--Ishtar456 (talk) 10:19, 24 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I don't agree that the hook misrepresents the facts. The source may be somewhat ambiguous, but it appears most likely that the entire sentence is an attempt to humorously convey the comments made by TR while visiting the campus. In any event, here's an alt that should resolve both concerns:
 * alt 1 ... that during an 1888 visit to Ann Arbor, Michigan, Theodore Roosevelt quipped that it was "not healthy to get in the way of the U. of M. rugby team" (pictured)? Cbl62 (talk) 14:28, 24 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Symbol confirmed.svg Only the Alt. If there was a direct quote that showed he actually made that reference to the Sioux, then I would approve the original hook, however, that is not what the source says.  Roosevelt was known for his daring exploits and, the way the source reads,(and the way your article reads) those were the writer's words in describing him, not his words describing himself.--Ishtar456 (talk) 17:21, 24 March 2012 (UTC)