Template:Did you know nominations/1928 Florida Gators football team


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The result was: promoted by — Maile (talk) 15:33, 23 September 2016 (UTC)

1928 Florida Gators football team

 * ... that the 1928 Florida Gators football team led the nation in scoring with 336 points?


 * Reviewed: IWRG La Hora de la Verdad

Improved to Good Article status by Cake. Nominated by Cake (talk) at 09:29, 30 August 2016 (UTC).

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 * &#x2713; This article was Listed as a Good Article on 09:42, 26 August 2016
 * &#x2713; This article meets the DYK criteria at 16847 characters
 * &#x2717; Paragraphs [33] (The ... offense.) in this article lack a citation.
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 * &#x2713; The hook ALT0 is an appropriate length at 81 characters
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 * ✅ New enough (GA on 26 August, nominated on 30 August), long enough (25256 characters), and within policy. The bot note that one paragraph has no citation is fine, as it's a two sentence introduction and explanation of the depth chart.
 * ✅ Hook is short enough, interesting, and supported by inline citation. The website for wasn't working for me, so I added  to support the hook.
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 * Symbol confirmed.svg Overall, this nomination passes, congratulations. Joseph2302 07:55, 10 September 2016 (UTC)

Returned from prep per discussion at WT:DYK. New hook needed, and the expression "led the nation in scoring" needs to be paraphrased in the article. To quote: Firstly this "led the nation in scoring" is a direct copy from the second source used in the article for the claim. Secondly there appears to be no context for what "led the nation" means, when in reality it seems to be referring to scoring the most points in the 1928 college football season. Thirdly, the hook is boring, a real "so what?" moment. Other, more interesting facts from that article include the claim that six of the squad could run the 100m in 10.1 s (which, in 1928, seems incredibly impressive), an ambidextrous quarterback (don't know how rare that is, but it seems unusual, and certainly interesting, especially when combined with the fact he could punt with both feet too), or even the controversy over the single-point win for Tennessee which denied the Gators a place (and secured it for Tennessee) in the Rose Bowl would be preferable. The Rambling Man (talk) 09:09, 13 September 2016 (UTC) Yoninah (talk) 09:34, 13 September 2016 (UTC)


 * Hm. Without a national or conference title, the scoring mark comes to mind first. After that is the "Phantom Four" backfield. Perhaps the following will suffice:
 * ALT1= ... that the 1928 Florida Gators football team scored 336 points, led by its "Phantom Four" backfield of Carl Brumbaugh, Royce Goodbread, Rainey Cawthon, and Clyde Crabtree, who could pass and kick with either hand or foot? Cake (talk) 21:10, 13 September 2016 (UTC)


 * Cake, ALT1 unfortunately comes in at 219 characters, well above the maximum 200 allowed in a hook, so I've had to strike it. I'd like to propose ALT2, which mentions the Phantom Four but only names Crabtree, and comes in at 178 characters:
 * ALT2: ... that the 1928 Florida Gators football team scored 336 points, led by its "Phantom Four" backfield which included Clyde Crabtree, who could pass and kick with either hand or foot? —BlueMoonset (talk) 01:59, 16 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Looks good. Wonder if one can fit "ambidextrous" in there. Cake (talk) 02:21, 16 September 2016 (UTC)


 * ALT2a: ... that the 1928 Florida Gators football team scored 336 points, led by its "Phantom Four" backfield which included Clyde Crabtree, who was ambidextrous and could pass and kick with either hand or foot? —BlueMoonset (talk) 02:03, 17 September 2016 (UTC)


 * Symbol redirect vote 4.svg Reviewer needed to check ALT2 and ALT2a hooks. BlueMoonset (talk) 02:05, 17 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Symbol question.svg Neither of the ALT2 and ALT2a hooks are satisfactory because the ambidextrous hook facts are not included in the article in a sentence covered by an inline citation, as far as I can see. I am also puzzled by "led by its "Phantom Four" backfield"; as someone who knows nothing of the game, can a team be led by its backfield? (Perhaps it means led in scoring by its backfield) Cwmhiraeth (talk) 08:57, 18 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Quite the gaffe there. Added some citations. Hard to put somewhere in the body when I don't know of a particular instance in which he say punted with his left foot, but it is not something hard to find in sources. Also, don't like sources in the lead when I can help it. Led by its backfield on the way to scoring 336 points is more the idea; though, to answer your question, yes, especially then a team can be led by its backfield in some sense. Today, a quarterback or halfback most likely is the face of the team, at least on the offense. In those days, the distinctions were more blurred. Everybody played on offense, defense, and special teams. Halfbacks could call plays and throw the ball as well as the quarterback. Something illustrated by the quoted section in the lead. Especially back then, the biggest difference in any two positions is whether one is on the line or in the backfield (again - for which the article tries to account, this time in the personnel section). One could be "led by the line" just as well I suppose, but that implies a defensive team rather than an offensive one. Opponents low scores rather than your own high scores. Definitely not the case with this team; Van Sickel aside the stars were in the backfield. If the issue is that leading applies to a person and not to the group, one has a point there, though I would note if anybody was the leader in the backfield it was Crabtree. Cake (talk) 09:29, 18 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Symbol question.svg Thank you for the new citations and for your explanation. I agree with Joseph2302's review and was just about to approve ALT2 and ALT2a, when I realised the "Phantom Four" wasn't cited either. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 10:38, 18 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Sure. I hope it made some sense to a layman a hundred years removed. Added cites for the "phantom" nickname. One can imagine Crabtree running around the edge. If you commit to him and try to tackle him, he can punt it over your head (surely the "sheer fright" part; games were often decided by field position and punting games back then). If you don't, he can run or pass, and it doesn't matter which way he is going. Cake (talk) 12:45, 18 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Symbol voting keep.svg Great! ALT2 and ALT2a now approved. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 13:10, 18 September 2016 (UTC)