Template:Did you know nominations/2004 Subway 400

2004 Subway 400

 * ... that in the 2004 Subway 400, Joe Ruttman ran only one lap before being ordered to park his car by NASCAR?
 * Reviewed: Twitch Plays Pokémon

Moved to mainspace by ZappaOMati (talk). Nominated by NFLisAwesome (talk) at 16:47, 18 February 2014 (UTC).


 * Symbol possible vote.svg Article is within neutral "Dup detector bot" reports no duplication on all the refs. Hook length is within limit.


 * Article has not been expanded 5x since it was created. Length at creation is 1661 chars, currently it is 4513 chars long, lacking 3793 chars.
 * Not all sources are cited inline.
 * Hook is not cited inline.
 * --CeeGee 20:55, 23 February 2014 (UTC)
 * I thought pages moved to mainspace would be considered new if they're nominated within the five-day timespan between the nomination and the page being moved to mainspace. Anyway, the hook is in fact cited by this (ref 10, which cites the entire paragraph).  Zappa  O  Mati   20:58, 23 February 2014 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure about the status of the article, new or expanded. Maybe, someone with more experience in that can help. Hook fact must be cited inline. The citation at the end of the paragraph is insufficient. BTW, I had to inform you about the DYK problem. It is not awkward as you commented on your user talk page. --CeeGee 21:47, 23 February 2014 (UTC)
 * There, added the ref. Happy now? Also, you might want to watch this page beforehand or something before actually adding it (or sending the problem right after the review, instead of waiting 19 minutes to do so).  Zappa  O  Mati   21:55, 23 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Also, WP:DYK states, "Articles that have been worked on exclusively in a user or user talk subpage or at articles for creation or in the Draft namespace and then moved (or in some cases pasted) to the article mainspace are considered new as of the date they reach the mainspace." As this was initially in my userspace (as seen here), it was eventually moved and nominated within five days.  Zappa  O  Mati   21:58, 23 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Hook fact is cited now. Your link here goes nowhere. It is deleted. How do I know that the deleted link contained the article? On the other hand, you are not competent to give me advise how I have to inform you. OK? --CeeGee 22:22, 23 February 2014 (UTC)
 * It's supposed to be deleted. It shows my alternate account moving the page into mainspace, which proves it did in fact contain the article. Also, I'm just saying that you should probably inform me immediately after posting your initial review, instead of waiting 20 minutes to do so.  Zappa  O  Mati   22:27, 23 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Symbol redirect vote 4.svg The only issue remains is whether the article is new or expanded. I have no clue about that. I kindly ask an experienced DYK reviewer to check that. @ZappaOMati, pls note that there is no time limit for calling the DYK nominator. --CeeGee 10:50, 24 February 2014 (UTC)
 * I'm aware of that. However, I'd at least like a notice beforehand, just for our sanity.  Zappa  O  Mati   14:48, 24 February 2014 (UTC)


 * ZappaOMati, notifications to the nominator's talk page are a courtesy, not a requirement. I strongly suggest that you Assume Good Faith: 19 minutes is pretty good, all things considered, and not everyone examines their watchlist to see what might have changed in the interim. That also extends to your "There, I entered the ref. Happy now?" comment, which was inappropriate (and the edit summary "DYK reviewer insists on this" likewise). DYK has always required that hook facts be inline cited by the end of the sentence in the article in which the fact is contained, something you certainly ought to know by now given how long you've been participating in DYK.
 * CeeGee, the article is considered new on the date that it moves from user space to article space. (See WP:DYKSG for details.) In this case, it was the February 18 at 16:27 "NFLisAwesome moved page User:ZappaOMati/2004 Subway 400 to 2004 Subway 400: Move into mainspace" item in the Revision History; such moves never change the article size or contents. It was nominated the same day as the move, so it definitely qualifies as new, and only needs to satisfy the usual 1,500 prose character minimum for new articles. BlueMoonset (talk) 04:15, 25 February 2014 (UTC)
 * OK, I guess I'll apologize for my hot-headed behavior there. I guess stress from Presidents' Week ending got to me and all. Now can I at least get an actual review for once?  Zappa  O  Mati   04:54, 25 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Symbol confirmed.svg User:BlueMoonset has clarified the status of the article as new. Thanks. No problems at all now. Good to go. --CeeGee 08:50, 25 February 2014 (UTC)