Template:Did you know nominations/A+E (song)


 * The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as |this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by 97198 (talk) 06:44, 14 June 2014 (UTC)

A+E (song)

 * ... that the song "A+E" was written whilst waiting for someone to come out of the A&E?

Created by Launchballer (talk). Self nominated at 21:25, 5 June 2014 (UTC).


 * Symbol confirmed.svg New enough, long enough, sourced ok. Hook checked out with source. --Jakob (talk)  22:10, 5 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Symbol redirect vote 4.svg This review needs more details, in accordance with DYK review instructions. Details that are supposed to be checked in a review can be found at  DYK Reviewing guide. Yoninah (talk) 22:20, 5 June 2014 (UTC)
 * I disagree. This is DYK not FAC. An exhaustive check of every policy and guideline is not needed. If there's a problem I specifically missed, please do say what it is. --Jakob (talk)  22:28, 5 June 2014 (UTC)
 * What do you disagree with, the DYK reviewing guide? The basic criteria are newness, length, adequate referencing, no close paraphrasing, neutrality, hook ref verified or AGF, and hook ref cited inline. BTW this article barely scrapes by with 1511 characters, and is written in a rather folksy manner. There is close paraphrasing in the last sentence under Music video, sourced to footnote 7. Yoninah (talk) 22:41, 5 June 2014 (UTC)
 * The review covered all of these points except neutrality (which I would've mentioned if I saw a problem with it) and close paraphrasing. I've removed the offending bit about "flaunting their golden selves". Being written in a folksy way isn't an NPOV problem; it's a stylistic problem, which shouldn't hold articles back from DYK. --Jakob (talk)  23:11, 5 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Here is the close paraphrasing problem in footnote 7:
 * Source: The dancers, Rhys Dennis and Kandaka Moore, were great to work with, completely unphased by being painted gold over the course of two hours' stop frame animation and then flaunting it around London!"
 * Article: The video contains two dancers, Rhys Dennis and Kandaka Moore, who were painted gold over the course of two hours (using stop frame animation, the whole process takes about 25 seconds) and then into central London.
 * I didn't check the other sources; it's your review. Yoninah (talk) 23:21, 5 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Oh, and the page nominator needs to do a QPQ. Yoninah (talk) 23:23, 5 June 2014 (UTC)
 * The last sentence in the background section is a bit too close to ref 4 maybe (and unencyclopeically written too). No further examples detected. --Jakob (talk)  23:41, 5 June 2014 (UTC)
 * I'm pretty sure I haven't used Template:Did you know nominations/Tropical Storm Zelda (1991) yet. I've amended the two close paraphrasing issues, for sources 4 and 7. Sorry, I find reading very long comments tricky; anything else?-- Laun  chba  ller  09:58, 6 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Something confusing is going on with the page name. I thought I posted a comment on the talk page that the page should be called A+E (song) to distinguish it from A+E (album). Now, when I clicked on the talk page, Talk:A+E, it redirected me to Talk:A+E (album). Yoninah (talk) 10:04, 6 June 2014 (UTC)
 * And I thought I moved A+E to A+E (song)! We are waiting for an administrator to conduct the G6 move.-- Laun  chba  ller  10:20, 6 June 2014 (UTC)

The hook fact appears in neither the article nor the source. Both say that Patterson was waiting for Chatto in a hospital, but do not say it was in the Accident and Emergency department. (BTW, people in most parts of the world don't know that that's what "A&E" means.) It may seem logical to assume, based on the name of the song, but we require hard facts, not assumptions. For example, the song could have been inspired by Patterson observing the A&E department while Chatto was elsewhere in the hospital. A new source which explicitly states it will have to be found, and it will have to be explicitly stated in the article, or a new hook will have to be used. M AN d ARAX •  XAЯA b ИA M  06:47, 7 June 2014 (UTC)
 * I got that fact from the album liner notes, I've added the source.-- Laun  chba  ller  13:52, 8 June 2014 (UTC)
 * The source is not printing correctly. Yoninah (talk) 16:27, 8 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Do you want to expand the hook so non-British readers will understand the reference?
 * ALT1: ... that the song "A+E" was written by Clean Bandit Jack Patterson whilst waiting for a fellow band member to come out of the accident and emergency department of Whittington Hospital, North London?
 * By the way, the lead says the song was written (?) by two women, but Jack Patterson is said to be the writer under Background. Yoninah (talk) 16:33, 8 June 2014 (UTC)
 * It most certainly does not! Cislyn and Moore are featured artists on the record. That is what ft. means. I've fixed the source. I would prefer to leave A&E as A&E to provoke further investigation by the reader.-- Laun  chba  ller  17:10, 8 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Can we make ft. accessible to a larger audience by spelling it out? And can we link the second A&E in the hook to Emergency room? Yoninah (talk) 17:45, 8 June 2014 (UTC)
 * I've spelt it out. Of course we can:
 * ALT2: ... that A+E was written in A&E? -- Laun  chba  ller  17:53, 8 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Symbol voting keep.svg I meant in the original hook. I made the tweak there. New enough, long enough, well referenced, no close paraphrasing seen. Hook ref AGF and cited inline. QPQ done. Original hook good to go. Yoninah (talk) 19:19, 8 June 2014 (UTC)