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Abu'l-Qasim al-Husayn ibn Ali al-Maghribi, Mufarrij ibn Daghfal ibn al-Jarrah

 * ... that after the Fatimid caliph al-Hakim executed his family, al-Husayn ibn Ali al-Maghribi fled to Palestine, where he provoked an uprising of the Bedouin under Muffarij ibn Daghfal?
 * Reviewed: 1) Three-cent nickel, 2) St Roberts Church, Pannal

Created by Cplakidas (talk). Self nominated at 13:33, 10 January 2014 (UTC).


 * Abu'l-Qasim al-Husayn ibn Ali al-Maghribi: Created Jan. 5; 1700 main text non-ref characters on Jan. 6; besides, the article size was redoubled on Jan. 10.  Article has a good neutral tone, and makes use of inline citations.  Relying on four modern academic sources, I don't know if it would have been counted as neutral by people of that time, but certainly the author has made a good effort.  Hook is 180 characters net.  Hook is interesting, well cited, and appears neutral.  QPQ is met.  I'm not so sure about close paraphrasing: to take the first Google Books source, article has


 * His more important works were a compilation of Ibn al-Sikkit, a work on Arab tribal nomenclature, and a short manual on statecraft, or "mirror for princes", the Kitab fi'l-si'yasa, probably written for his patron, Nasr al-Dawla ibn Ahmad.[5][14]


 * versus


 * various prose works, including a short Mirror for Princes or treatise on statecraft, the the Kitab fi'l-si'yasa, probably intended for the Kurdish Marwanid local ruler of Diyarbakr, whose text has survived.


 * and


 * This provoked the reaction of the famous blind Syrian poet Abu'l-Ala al-Ma'arri, who had been in contact with Abu'l-Qasim and later wrote an elegy on the latter's death


 * versus


 * He was also in contact with the famous Syrian blind poet Abu'l-Ala al-Ma'arri, who refers to al-Maghrabi in his works and who composed an elegy on his death


 * Now this isn't out and out copying, but there is a tendency to see a lot of long phrases looking similar. I haven't had to mark essays and make these calls in academia, nor do I know whether Wikipedia really needs to maintain standards on the point that are as strict as what they might be there.  Given my own choice I'd be inclined to let it slide for our purposes with advice to be a bit more cautious in future editing, but then again, I haven't read all the source works (some of which are behind paywalls.  I'd like a DYK regular who has experience with our standards to make a comment on this point, and I'd also appreciate the author's assurance regarding the wording of the DYK hook in particular.  For this reason I'm going to rate Symbol question.svg for now. Wnt (talk) 17:33, 26 January 2014 (UTC)


 * Well, as to the close paraphrasing, there is only so much one can do when the source material on his writings itself is barely a couple of sentences long. By necessity, there will be a lot of overlap. As to the "wording of the DYK hook in particular", what assurance exactly do you require? I thought the course of events was clear from both articles, and more than adequately cited. Constantine  ✍  19:20, 26 January 2014 (UTC)
 * I'll withdraw my comment about the hook; I suppose it's pretty clear it can't be paraphrased itself. Wnt (talk) 20:58, 26 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Not having access to the sources is not a reason to delay the nomination from proceeding. That is what is for. Anyhow, if you feel you can't comment one way or the other, then we should take this to a second reviewer. Constantine   ✍  12:30, 28 January 2014 (UTC)
 * To be clear, I was checking to see what people thought of the quotes above as examples - I don't have any reason to think the paywalled sources are used differently. As I said above, my inclination without further guidance is to let it go, so I'll indeed call this one Symbol voting keep.svg. Wnt (talk) 15:45, 1 February 2014 (UTC)


 * To round out this review, I should say that the second article Mufarrij ibn Daghfal ibn al-Jarrah was started at 15k (raw) on January 5, good neutral tone, good inline citations to three impressive-looking sources. Those are not available to me, so that one is pure AGF on source issues:  Symbol voting keep.svg. Wnt (talk) 15:52, 1 February 2014 (UTC)