Template:Did you know nominations/Adrian P. Thomas, Scenes of a Crime


 * The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as |this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by EEng (talk) 16:34, 17 July 2014 (UTC)

Adrian P. Thomas, Scenes of a Crime

 * ... that Adrian P. Thomas videotaped confession in the death of his four-month-old son was the center of the documentary film Scenes of a Crime, which is about coerced confessions?
 * Reviewed: Mellor's Gardens, Hough Hole House
 * Comment: Note that the QPQ review is for a nomination with two articles. In addition, I'm nominating the hook on June 19, 2014 because Adrian P. Thomas was moved into main space on June 19 and Scenes of a Crime was expanded more than 5x on June 19.

Created/expanded by I am One of Many (talk). Self nominated at 22:19, 19 June 2014 (UTC).


 * Symbol question.svg QPQ: One QPQ done. Issue: (1) A second QPQ needed for this double nom. --Storye book (talk) 16:15, 15 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Adrian P. Thomas: New enough (moved to mainspace 19 June, nom 19 June) and long enough. Objective and neutral article text; fully referenced. No disambigs found. No copyvio or close paraphrasing found with spot checks.--Storye book (talk) 16:15, 15 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Scenes of a Crime: New enough (created 18 June) and long enough. Objective and neutral, fully referenced. No disambig links. Spot checks did not reveal any sources for possibly copyvio or close paraphrasing. Issues: (2) The first line of the Background section should say "Blue Hadaegh", not Adrien Thomas. (3) The rationale for the infobox image is insufficient for its fair-use licence, which requires evidence that the image is used to provide critical commentary on the film, event, etc. in question or of the poster itself, not solely for illustration and that does not mean identification. If you add some comment in the article to say, e.g. that the police interrogation is shown in silhouette to possibly imply dark intentions, and that the colour red can be associated with blood, that the interrogator is shown standing over the supposed perpetrator, pointing a finger possibly as if directing events, and that the "perp" is sitting bowed over as if intimidated - then that kind of thing would count as a commentary. If you head it "commentary on poster", and use words like "possibly" then as I understand it you can write your own commentary on the poster to justify the fair-use licence. It's a rare opportunity to employ opinion in a WP article (with "could be" and "possibly") so enjoy it! Once you have a critical commentary in the article, you can then amend the rationale in the image file to match the licence requirement. --Storye book (talk) 16:15, 15 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Hook: Acceptable and short enough with 178 characters. The hook is repeated in full in the Adrian P. Thomas article, and checks out online there with citation #4, archived version. The hook is also repeated in the Scenes of a Crime article, where it checks out online with citation #3, archived version.--Storye book (talk) 16:15, 15 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Summary: A worthwhile set of articles, well done. When issues 1-3 have been resolved, this nom should be OK. --Storye book (talk) 16:15, 15 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your careful review. For issue (1), the nomination I reviewed was also a nomination of two articles, so I did review two articles for two articles required for a QPQ.  Issue (2) is fixed and how I made that mistake, I'll never know.  Issue (3), almost all of our film articles have have fair posters or covers in them.  When you upload an image as a poster or cover art for a film, there is no specific box as I recall to fill out for a detailed fair use rationale.  Instead, the issues of concern are specified here: WP:Fair use rationale examples. My understanding is that in all of these cases, the rationale is the same: film posters and covers provide a symbolic representation of the content of the film. Finally, the image in question has already been reviewed for fair use licensing . I am One of Many (talk) 17:25, 15 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Symbol confirmed.svg Thank you for your explanation, I am One of Many. I was concerned, and still am, that the rationale on the image filepage did not match the requirement on the licence tag. There is something not right there, but you're correct that your rationale does match the WP page of rationale examples. I think that WP has more work to do in clarifying matters. Meanwhile, at least we have covered the matter and prevented further delays, so I can pass this nom. Good to go. --Storye book (talk) 19:44, 15 July 2014 (UTC)

To prep2 as
 * ... that Adrian P. Thomas videotaped confession in the death of his four-month-old son is the center of a documentary film on coerced confessions, Scenes of a Crime?

EEng (talk) 16:34, 17 July 2014 (UTC)