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The result was: rejected by PanydThe muffin is not subtle 15:05, 10 May 2015 (UTC)

Ahmadiyya in Saudi Arabia

 * ... that Ahmadiyya is banned in Saudi Arabia, and therefore Ahmadi Muslims are not permitted to perform the Islamic pilgrimage?

Created/expanded by Peaceworld111 (talk). Self nominated at 23:30, 22 March 2015 (UTC).


 * Symbol delete vote.svg History is unsourced and is that Huffington Post reference a reliable one? RRD13 দেবজ্যোতি (talk) 10:22, 16 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Symbol possible vote.svg The issues raised, while significant, strike me as fixable, and also not so serious that the nomination should be closed forthwith. Using more appropriate icon, and notifying nominator that there are issues to be addressed. BlueMoonset (talk) 21:13, 17 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Royroydeb, BlueMoonset, fixed? --Peace world  21:01, 19 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Peaceworld111, the Huffington Post reference remains in the article, and it's clearly an opinion piece by an Ahmadi Muslim (the author uses "we" when referring to Ahmadis), so I don't see how it can be used as a reliable, neutral source. (It claims that the "myth" that Ahmadi's don't do the Hajj stems from Pakistan, which won't let their Ahmadis go, while not mentioning that Ahmadi's are officially forbidden from entering Saudi Arabia, according to source 2, which is the basis of the hook.) I can't view the relevant page 47 of source 10, so I can't confirm the other source that says that many Ahmadi do enter Saudi Arabia to perform the Hajj. As it is, the hook feels misleading, since while they are not officially permitted, enforcement is apparently quite lax since many do anyway. BlueMoonset (talk) 20:30, 22 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Thank You BlueMoonset, for taking your time here. Although I did not remove the Huffington Post reference, I don't think there was anything that required its citation. However, I have removed it. Secondly, I think you might me mistaken in assuming that the enforcement is lax. The point is that one can't really tell whether an entrant is an Ahmadi or not, because there are zero differences in practices between an Ahmadi and a non-Ahmadi. Nevertheless, the hook is not a statement of the strength of enforcement. The hook is still true in my opinion. --Peace world  14:20, 29 April 2015 (UTC)


 * Symbol redirect vote 4.svg Full review needed. Reviewer should check the above issues, and also be sure to check policy issues such as neutrality. BlueMoonset (talk) 04:34, 2 May 2015 (UTC)


 * Symbol question.svg Those who have heard about this sect, most of them would know that Ahmadiyya is banned not only in Saudi Arabia but also Pakistan. Therefore it would be better if you highlight in your hook that it is a Islamic sect because many have no idea about Ahmadiyya.  Occult Zone  (Talk • Contributions • Log) 05:43, 2 May 2015 (UTC)
 * I think, "Ahmadi Muslims", clarifies that, no?  --Peace world  14:03, 2 May 2015 (UTC)
 * "Ahmadiyya Islam" is how it is referred as.  Occult Zone  (Talk • Contributions • Log) 15:02, 2 May 2015 (UTC)
 * ALT1: ... that Ahmadiyya Islam is banned in Saudi Arabia, and therefore Ahmadi Muslims are not permitted to perform the Islamic pilgrimage?
 * Symbol delete vote.svg Unfortunately I don't think this article qualifies. Length is OK, sourcing appears to be reasonably reliable (though the individual sources need fleshing out more) but the big problem is that it wasn't new enough at the time of its nomination. It was created on 1 March but editing paused on 8 March. It wasn't nominated for DYK until 22 March. The last eligible date for the nomination - seven days after the article was either created or expanded fivefold - would have been 11 March, seven days after the major expansions on 4 March. Prioryman (talk) 11:17, 8 May 2015 (UTC)