Template:Did you know nominations/Albertus Soegijapranata

Albertus Soegijapranata

 * ... that Albertus Soegijapranata (pictured), Indonesia's first Catholic bishop, was born a Muslim?
 * Reviewed: The Dance Lesson
 * Comment: This would be best for Indonesia's Independence Day (17 August)

Created/expanded by Crisco 1492 (talk). Self nom at 08:23, 3 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Symbol question.svgle is neutral, new and big enough. But there is a large lead section with no citations.  The rest is cited adequately.  The hook also relies on assumption that a member of a muslim family is born a muslim, although that is not stated in the article. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 10:18, 3 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Supplementary Guideline D2 shows that references are not needed for the lead. I've stated explicitly that he was a Muslim as a child. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 11:01, 3 July 2012 (UTC)
 * The image is problematic as it would not be in public domain in the US. If it was published in 1950 then expiry happened in Indonesia in 2000, which is after the 1996 US cut off date. If in 1947, then still it would have expired in 1997 missing 1996 by one year. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 11:27, 3 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Per Non-U.S. copyrights, the copyright on photographs in Indonesia was 25 years after publication at the time of the URAA. As such, this was public domain in Indonesia at the time of the URAA and not extended. The new copyright law was in 2002, which did extend the copyrights in Indonesia, which is why the second image of Soegijapranata is not on Commons.
 * Tl;dr version: It was not extended by the URAA. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 11:37, 3 July 2012 (UTC)
 * THanks for that explanation, so it looks like that commons template needs fixing instead. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 12:01, 3 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Clarified. Thanks. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 12:05, 3 July 2012 (UTC)
 * I will do a Pictogram voting keep.svg as I cannot consult the reference. ALso I cannot find any plagiarism.  Although I may disagree with Supplementary Guideline D2, I will give this nomination a Good to Go without image. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 11:10, 3 July 2012 (UTC)
 * The new picture meets freeness requirements but is not of great quality! So this still passes with the new picture, whether or not it is used. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 11:13, 31 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I think it's preferable compared to the original image I had used (although finding and scanning proper reproductions would be nice). — Crisco 1492 (talk) 13:53, 31 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I think it's preferable compared to the original image I had used (although finding and scanning proper reproductions would be nice). — Crisco 1492 (talk) 13:53, 31 July 2012 (UTC)