Template:Did you know nominations/Alice Renavand


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The result was: promoted by Allen3 talk 10:40, 1 April 2014 (UTC)

Alice Renavand

 * ... that Alice Renavand was admitted to the Paris Opera Ballet School at the age of nine, receiving the support and friendship of Claude Bessy?
 * ALT1:... that after gaining too much weight, ballerina Alice Renavand lost 20 kg in a year, thanks to the encouragement of Brigitte Lefèvre?
 * Reviewed: Not a self-nom
 * Comment: For Women's History Month

Created by Ipigott (talk). Nominated by Rosiestep (talk) at 04:00, 29 March 2014 (UTC).


 * Original hook is dull; ALT1 is better but needs to be clarified: too much weight to/for what? how? and why should we care that someone "encouraged" her? (The last bit I'd simply cut altogether) — Llywelyn II   15:50, 29 March 2014 (UTC)
 * ALT2:... that after putting on too much weight, ballerina Alice Renavand lost 20 kg in a year? --Rosiestep (talk) 15:56, 29 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Comment: Please define AROP. Mind  matrix  20:49, 29 March 2014 (UTC)
 * ALT3: ... that Alice Renavand is a star (étoile) at the Paris Opera Ballet?


 * Symbol question.svg Nominated for DYK two days after creation, and is about 1900 characters, satisfying date and length criteria. The paragraph "After winning the AROP..." has several problems; first, AROP isn't defined (probably the Association pour le rayonnement de l'Opéra national de Paris prize); and second, the list of roles contains a mix of roles from 2008 and 2005, based on the source used as a citation. (This can be split to list roles in 2005, 2008 etc.) There also seems to be detail about a weight issue; is this necessary? Did it affect her role choices or performances? The image was uploaded by a user named Labellezik claiming it as "own work", but the image is used here and attributed to David Elofer with full copyright protection; this needs resolution, or the image must be removed and certainly cannot be used for DYK. The article is a little drab, as it basically lists performances and a few other details. I found this, which mentions Renavand and describes her as "...possède la beauté du diable, une grâce parfaite et le geste d’une élégance et d’une rigueur suprême...", which would make an interesting addition to the article, and possibly useful for a more striking hook. There are also a few books that mention her that may be used as additional refs, but that's not necessary for DYK.  Mind  matrix  00:08, 31 March 2014 (UTC)
 * I defined AROP. I removed the image from the article, and I've struck the hook's which mention the img. I split out 2005 and 2008 roles. I did not address the weight issue as it was added by Ipigott. I added a phrase from the article you linked and used it for ALT4: ... that Alice Renavand, a star (étoile) at the Paris Opera Ballet, has been described as "having the beauty of the devil"? --Rosiestep (talk) 00:47, 31 March 2014 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your constructive suggestions. As to the weight issue, it was obviously a cause for concern which the dancer mentions at length in the referenced interview and elsewhere, expressing surprise that she was selected for a solo role when she was so plump. I think it is worth the brief mention I have made, especially as ballet dancers need to pay considerable attention to their diets in order to remain acceptably slim. In Renavand's case, excess weight had bothered her for around three years, a considerable portion of her career. That said, I'll go along with ALT4: "the beauty of the devil" although this should be seen in the context of her role as Lizzie in Fall River Legend rather than as a general comment. I've expanded the lead accordingly. --Ipigott (talk) 08:36, 31 March 2014 (UTC)


 * OK about the weight issue then, though perhaps this can be clarified in the article, but is not necessary for DYK. I've added ALT5 as a small tweak of ALT4. Mind  matrix  17:12, 31 March 2014 (UTC)
 * ALT5: ... that Alice Renavand, a star (étoile) at the Paris Opera Ballet, was described as "having the beauty of the devil" in her role in Fall River Legend?


 * Symbol confirmed.svg Good to go for the ALT5, ALT4, or the original hook, in decreasing order of preference. Mind  matrix  17:12, 31 March 2014 (UTC)