Template:Did you know nominations/Amabel Anderson Arnold


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The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 05:54, 25 August 2017 (UTC)

Amabel Anderson Arnold

 * ... that Amabel Anderson Arnold (pictured), a St. Louis lawyer and law professor, organized the Woman's State Bar Association of Missouri, the first association of women lawyers in the world? Source: Notable women of St. Louis, 1914, by Anne Johnson
 * ALT1:... that Amabel Anderson Arnold, a St. Louis lawyer and Law professor, having attended both schools at the same time, obtained two LL.M. degrees, from Benton College of Law and from City College of Law and Finance? Source: Notable women of St. Louis, 1914, by Anne Johnson
 * Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/María Marte

Created by Elisa.rolle (talk). Self-nominated at 14:48, 4 August 2017 (UTC).


 * Symbol confirmed.svg New enough (Article created by Elisa.rolle on 4 August 2017), long enough (4,503 characters "readable prose size"), fully referenced, but you really should supply page numbers for books. Image fine, has appropriate licence. main hook fine, verified by online source. ALT1 is incorrect; she received an LLB from City College and an LLM from Benton. Stricken. Article is also incorrect on this point. User has only one DYK, so no QPQ required. Good to go.   Hawkeye7   (talk)  22:16, 4 August 2017 (UTC)
 * , Hawkeye7, I changed both point (LLB and LLM) and added pages for Notable Women. Elisa.rolle

I'm sorry, but I have to question the WP:V of the hook. A 1914 local-history source can't be relied on for a "first-in-the-world" claim like this. We need a modern comprehensive source in a position to know.  E Eng  01:00, 15 August 2017 (UTC)


 * Symbol redirect vote 4.svg  "Amabel Anderson, one of a dozen St. Louis women attorneys who organized the Woman's State Bar Association of Missouri (the first association of women lawyers in the world) also organized the Women's National College Club in 1912 and served as its national president." from the Official Manual of the State of Missouri, 1971-72, James Kirkpatrick, Secretary of State --Elisa.rolle (talk) 01:24, 15 August 2017 (UTC)
 * I'm afraid I have to stick to my guns. How would the Missouri Sec'y of State know that? I'm looking for a work of academic or legal scholarship that surveys the history of organizations of women in the law, worldwide. Isn't there something else you use for a hook?  E Eng  01:50, 15 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Symbol redirect vote 4.svg ALT2: ... that Amabel Anderson Arnold, a St. Louis lawyer and Law professor, having attended both schools at the same time, obtained two degrees, from Benton College of Law and from City College of Law and Finance?  Source: Notable women of St. Louis, 1914, by Anne Johnson  --Elisa.rolle (talk) 02:02, 15 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Great. I'm pinging the reviewer, .  E Eng  02:17, 15 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Symbol confirmed.svg Approved.  Hawkeye7   (talk)  04:03, 15 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Symbol redirect vote 4.svg Unfortunately, ALT2 is 204 characters, over the absolute maximum 200 allowed at DYK. Suggesting ALT3, which is shorter at 177 characters:
 * ALT3: ... that Amabel Anderson Arnold, a St. Louis lawyer and Law professor, received degrees from both Benton College of Law and City College of Law and Finance within a five-day period? (LL.M. from Benton on June 6, 1912, and LL.B. from City on June 11, 1912, according to the article and the "Notable women" source.)
 * Elisa.rolle, I do have a question: why is the article and hook in the name of "Amabel Anderson Arnold" when she was only married for six years, and deliberately took back her maiden name upon her divorce (as noted in the article)? The two primary sources here primarily list her as "Amabel Anderson", and I wonder whether the article itself should be moved to her common name, without the "Arnold". (If so, don't move this nomination page; we leave templates where they are and adjust the contents.) Also, I removed the wikilink for City College of Law and Finance that had been in ALT2; the link isn't used in the article itself, and since the University of Chicago Law School is only, so far as I know, in Chicago, I can't include it without a source (and even so, it isn't useful, since there's no indication in Wikipedia's UofC Law School article that the St. Louis institution was ever merged). BlueMoonset (talk) 22:11, 16 August 2017 (UTC)
 * I like ALT3, as for the husband name, in the Notable Woman she is with both, and in some other sources as well, therefore I maintained it. But is fine for me to rename the page.Elisa.rolle (talk) 23:04, 16 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Symbol redirect vote 4.svg ALT3: ... that Amabel Anderson Arnold, a St. Louis lawyer and Law professor, received degrees from both Benton College of Law and City College of Law and Finance within a five-day period? (LL.M. from Benton on June 6, 1912, and LL.B. from City on June 11, 1912, according to the article and the "Notable women" source.)  Elisa.rolle (talk) 12:54, 18 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Symbol confirmed.svg Approved.  Hawkeye7   (talk)  01:13, 19 August 2017 (UTC)