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Angelo Ciccone

 * ... that on Angelo Ciccone cycling debut at the 2004 Summer Olympics, he lapped the entirety of the field twice?
 * Comment: Not a self nomination
 * Comment: Not a self nomination

Created by Raymarcbadz (talk). Nominated by Matty.007 (talk) at 18:12, 19 October 2013 (UTC).


 * Symbol possible vote.svg New enough, long enough (though still classified as a stub), no copyvio detected, QPQ not required. The hook is inadequately sourced - as far as I can tell, the citation doesn't verify Ciccone's debut, that he lapped the field twice, or that he participated in the Olympics. EricEnfermero  HOWDY! 08:41, 20 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Although you are right about most of that, it does verify that he competed in the Olympics. I will look for sources. Thanks, Mat  ty  .  007  09:26, 20 October 2013 (UTC)
 * I removed the info after failing to find sources. How about 'Alt 1: that at the men's points race at the 2004 Olympics, cyclist Angelo Ciccone got just over half of the victor's points?' Thanks, Mat  ty  .  007  09:34, 20 October 2013 (UTC)
 * A little less interesting, but I think it could do. I would tweak the hook to mention cycling. Would also take out the word "successfully" from the sentence in the article. EricEnfermero  HOWDY! 09:45, 20 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Hook treaked, "successfully" removed. Is this OK? Thanks, Mat  ty  .  007  10:26, 20 October 2013 (UTC)
 * ALT1 is good to go. EricEnfermero  HOWDY! 11:55, 20 October 2013 (UTC)

I think I may have responded too quickly on this one. I see where the ALT1 is sourced, but the more I think about it, the hook reflects a negative aspect of a living person. I found it interesting that he went from first to 14th at the 2008 Games, but that's also something pretty negative I believe. Is there some interesting, sourced fact about Ciccone that isn't overly negative? I apologize for doing this to you three days after telling you it was fine, but I doubt that the DYK would be allowed to go to the main page like this. EricEnfermero HOWDY! 09:01, 23 October 2013 (UTC)
 * How about Alt 2: that at the men's points race at the 2004 Olympics, cyclist Angelo Ciccone got just over half of the victor's points, which left him in eighth place out of twenty contestants? Is that less negative? Thanks, Mat  ty  .  007  16:00, 23 October 2013 (UTC)
 * In that light, I guess it's not too negative, but it seems pretty unremarkable. I don't know if a reader would be likely to click on the article after reading the hook. EricEnfermero  HOWDY! 08:50, 24 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Sorry, but that was the only interesting hook I could think of. If there are any others... Mat  ty  .  007  16:11, 24 October 2013 (UTC)
 * How about if I strike "out of twenty contestants"? Thanks, Mat  ty  .  007  20:23, 6 November 2013 (UTC)
 * That still seems like a pretty average finish. Has Ciccone done anything out of the ordinary during his career? EricEnfermero  HOWDY! 14:56, 8 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Hmm. How about A;t 3: that Angelo Ciccone lapped the entire field, but didn't win a point in the Men's Madison at the 2008 Summer Olympics? Mat  ty  .  007  17:15, 8 November 2013 (UTC)

Yes - I think we're there now. Was long enough, new enough, no copyvio. ALT3 is short enough, interesting, well sourced and not overly negative. Good to go. Would simply take out the comma in the hook. EricEnfermero HOWDY! 03:03, 12 November 2013 (UTC)