Template:Did you know nominations/Anne Rudloe


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The result was: promoted by Allen3 talk 11:44, 18 March 2015 (UTC)

Anne Rudloe

 * ... that Anne Rudloe co-founded the Gulf Specimen Marine Laboratory, of which she was the managing director?
 * Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Alsager Hay Hill
 * Comment: For March 8th, or any other day during Women's History Month

Created by Bjorklund21 (talk), Drmies (talk), Rosiestep (talk). Nominated by Rosiestep (talk) at 15:44, 22 February 2015 (UTC).


 * What a full life, on good sources. I confess that I am not impressed with "of which she was ...", but fascinated by abbott - or should it better be abbess, for a woman? Suggest something along the lines of:
 * ALT1: ... that Anne Rudloe co-founded and managed the Gulf Specimen Marine Laboratory, and was the abbess [of you name it]? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 00:04, 24 February 2015 (UTC)
 * ALT2: ... that after Anne Rudloe co-founded and managed the Gulf Specimen Marine Laboratory she became a Zen Buddhist Abbot? Boldly improved I think Victuallers (talk) 14:46, 28 February 2015 (UTC)
 * You were too bold ;) - You can't improve my hook because I can't approve my own. So: thank you for yours which I made from it. Concern: I think it's abbess for a woman, and I think it should not be capital, as generic, - your turn to word it, I would say Zen abbess, thinking that Buddhist is redundant. An extra link after the article doesn't hurt ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:01, 28 February 2015 (UTC)
 * The articles cited tend to use "Abbot" rather than "Abbess", so it may be more appropriate to follow the title they use.Mary Mark Ockerbloom (talk) 19:19, 3 March 2015 (UTC)
 * I would not fight that, an actress is also an actor, an abbess also an abbot, but two comments: 1) we recently had a FA on the Main page where the blurb had to say "the Twelve" for the 12 disciples of Jesus (instead of "the twelve" as all sources said) because those responsible knew that as the common version. 2) in March, a female term might be more appropriate. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:47, 3 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Symbol confirmed.svg New enough, long enough, interesting, appropriately cited, I have done a duplicator check, which passes; we seem to be stalled on the wording/choice of a hook. (Is there a symbol for that?)  I've struck ALT1 since it was incomplete: here are some alternatives for consideration. I personally prefer ALT4 to ALT5, but other people may want to link to the marine laboratory in the hook.
 * ALT3: ... that Anne Rudloe was the first woman to complete research and diving training in the U.S. Navy's "Scientists in the Sea" program?
 * ALT4: ... that marine biologist Anne Rudloe was also a Zen Buddhist Abbot?
 * ALT5: ... that marine biologist Anne Rudloe of the Gulf Specimen Marine Laboratory was also a Zen Buddhist Abbot?
 * — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mary Mark Ockerbloom (talk • contribs) 12:06 15 March 2015


 * Symbol confirmed.svg I like ALT5 best. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:57, 15 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Symbol question.svg The first and fourth paragraphs under Biography lack cites, including the cite for the second part of ALT5. Yoninah (talk) 19:26, 17 March 2015 (UTC)


 * Re Abbot versus Abbess, the term used in her obituary was Abbot as was her title in the notice about her death in the local bulletin for the Unitarian church. I do not think Abbess is appropriate any more than the term Actress is considered appropriate. I also like ALT5 best.Bjorklund21 (talk) 19:52, 17 March 2015 (UTC)


 * First paragraph citation and fourth paragraph citation missing. All citations are at the bottom paragraph. They got separated because the original version was one whole paragraph and that got split in subsequent revisions. I have moved them about as appropriate to fix that. Bjorklund21 (talk) 19:44, 17 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Symbol confirmed.svg Thank you for taking care of the cites. I put one right after the sentence with the second part of the hook fact, per DYK rules. Reinstating tick per User:Gerda Arendt's review. ALT5 good to go. Yoninah (talk) 20:10, 17 March 2015 (UTC)