Template:Did you know nominations/Antoni Koper


 * The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as |this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Victuallers (talk) 20:40, 21 October 2015 (UTC)

Antoni Koper

 * ...that Polish resistance fighter Antoni Koper helped rescue Jews from the Warsaw Ghetto, one of whom he later married?


 * ALT1:...that Polish resistance fighter Antoni Koper risked his life to help rescue Jews from the Warsaw Ghetto?
 * Comment: I welcome suggestions for stronger hooks. An image of subject may be available in another week.
 * Comment: I welcome suggestions for stronger hooks. An image of subject may be available in another week.

Created by Malcom Gregory Scott (talk). Self-nominated at 10:48, 4 September 2015 (UTC).


 * Symbol possible vote.svg This article is new enough and long enough. Koper seems to have been an admirable man and either hook would do. However, some of the article text is too close to the original. Here are some examples:

These are just examples and the whole article needs to be gone through, not just changing the odd word while maintaining the sentence structure, but by being rewritten in your own words. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 05:30, 18 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Source "Koper brought Margulies to his apartment where, to her astonishment, she discovered that Koper was already sheltering Bronisława and Henryk Finkelstein, and Dr. Maximillian Ciesielski, also fugitives from the ghetto."
 * Article "He took her to his apartment in central Warsaw, where Margulies discovered to her astonishment that Koper was also hiding Bronislawa and Henryk Finkelstein, and Dr. Maximilian Ciesieleski.
 * Source "Despite the danger, threats, and attempted extortion, Koper continued with his humanitarian activities."
 * Article "Facing danger, threats, and extortion, Koper persisted in his resistance and humanitarian efforts."
 * Symbol delete vote.svg Close paraphrasing remains in the article and the nominator has not edited since the end of September. If anyone cares to salvage this nom feel free, else marking for closure. Fuebaey (talk) 19:00, 8 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Symbol redirect vote 4.svg Reopening this as nominator has not been available to edit and has now resolved the problems mentioned above. Another reviewer needed. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:40, 17 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Symbol question.svg New enough, long enough, neutral, no copyvios detected. Both hooks are interesting but--perhaps I overlooked it--I didn't see where either hook as written is supported by inline citations. SojoQ (talk) 21:04, 17 October 2015 (UTC)
 * I'm new at this, so please forgive me if I have strayed too far from the sources in search of a hook. I interpreted yadvashem.org and the Sophie Koper interview to support the claims in both hooks, but now I see that the claim Koper "risked his life" is interpretative and not specifically supported by the cited sources alone. I regret, however, I don't understand your objection to the claim in the other hook: Koper helped rescue Jews from the ghetto, one of whom he later married. Can you tell me what I'm missing? I'm really not trying to be obnoxious; just trying to understand so I can avoid these mistakes, and regardless the outcome of the DYK nomination, I would like to improve the article as much as possible. Thank you for your patience and assistance. Malcom Gregory Scott (talk) 11:21, 18 October 2015 (UTC)
 * I feel confident the nomination will pass--the hook just needs to be sorted. It could just be my interpretation of the hook rules. I'm used to hooks relating more directly with what's actually written in the text. For example, the sentence: "Once hostilities ended, Koper married Sophie Margulies, who had also fought in the Warsaw Uprising as a nurse, treating Polish Home Army casualties during the battle" refers to his marriage to Sophie Margulies, but doesn't mention she was also someone he rescued from the Ghetto, which came from another part of of the page. Likewise, the sentence that talks about about his personal risk doesn't specifically mention the rescuing Jews from the Warsaw Ghetto, although that was mentioned earlier on the page as well. The citations on the page, overall, are fine, I just thought the info in the hooks needed to be all in one sentence with appropriate inline citations. Perhaps a more experienced editor can weigh in. I definitely don't want to hold up the nomination and defer to a more expert opinion. SojoQ (talk) 15:55, 19 October 2015 (UTC)
 * How about
 * ALT2 ... that between 1942 and 1944, Polish resistance fighter Antoni Koper hid Jews from the Warsaw Ghetto in his apartment? Cwmhiraeth (talk) 18:12, 21 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Symbol confirmed.svg ALT 2 is short enough, interesting enough, and has an inline citation. Good to go. SojoQ (talk) 18:50, 21 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Thank you to all the editors who offered me such patient guidance through this process. Malcom Gregory Scott (talk) 20:15, 21 October 2015 (UTC)