Template:Did you know nominations/Antonio Oseguera Cervantes


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The result was: promoted by Yoninah (talk) 19:44, 3 May 2017 (UTC)

Antonio Oseguera Cervantes

 * ... that suspected drug lord Antonio Oseguera Cervantes is also known as "Tony Montana"? Source:
 * Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Clifford Kinvig
 * Comment: Most sources are in Spanish. Hook cited by Milenio newspaper.

Moved to mainspace by ComputerJA (talk). Self-nominated at 19:08, 9 April 2017 (UTC).


 * Symbol confirmed.svg Article is new, sufficiently long, Earwig check returned confidence, source, though in Spanish, shows clear reference and the article is written in a neutral language. QPQ done. Good for promotion. jojo@nthony (talk) 11:50, 11 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Symbol possible vote.svg This nomination needs to conform with Wikipedia policy on BLPs and the present hook is unduly negative. We are not allowed to say "suspected drug lord" in the hook - an opinion rather than a fact - and a new hook is required before this can be promoted. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 05:40, 30 April 2017 (UTC)

suggest a tweak as below:
 * ... that Antonio Oseguera Cervantes, who has faced trial for suspected drug trafficking, is also known as "Tony Montana"?
 * I actually like this new hook more than mine! ComputerJA ( ☎  •  ✎  ) 14:46, 30 April 2017 (UTC)

Template:Did you know nominations/Antonio Oseguera Cervantes
 * ... that suspected drug lord Antonio Oseguera Cervantes is also known as "Tony Montana"?

Having discussed the suicide of a wrestler, perhaps you could look at this approved article about a suspected drug lord and consider what hook is appropriate. It's not clear to me that he has been convicted of drug trafficking, but the whole article concerns his criminal activities and reputation. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 05:28, 2 May 2017 (UTC)
 * See Wikipedia talk:Did you know/Archive 138 which was only here around three weeks ago, and to which you contributed. An alternative hook was derived that didn't need to focus on the possibility of him being a "drug lord".  The Rambling Man (talk) 13:05, 2 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Sure, I remember that, which was why I brought the matter up here, hoping that you, or others, would read the article and suggest a suitable hook. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 13:14, 2 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Even something simple like:
 * ... that former leader of the Jalisco New Generation Cartel, Antonio Oseguera Cervantes nickname is Tony Montana, after the character in Scarface?
 * The Rambling Man (talk) 16:03, 2 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Hmm, I don't see mention of "Scarface" in the article, I am not sure he was "the" leader of the Jalisco New Generation Cartel, and does use of the word "former" imply that he is dead? This is a BLP you know, and we have to be careful what we say. (Only kidding!) Cwmhiraeth (talk) 17:25, 2 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Then we should unlink Tony Montana in the article as promoted because it links to Scarface, i.e. makes that leap without referencing. The article explicitly states "former high-ranking leader of the Jalisco New Generation Cartel (CJNG)" so "former" yes and "leader" yes.  Perhaps you missed those three points in the article?  The Rambling Man (talk) 17:30, 2 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Why wouldn't his nickname Tony Montana be a reference to Scarface? Though it doesn't explicitly say this in the source, I think it is a no-brainer that his nickanme is a reference to the fictional character. I can agree with taking of "suspected drug lord" from this and future hooks, but I don't really see the point behind unlinking Tony Montana. I still tried to do some digging and see if there was any reference of Scarface but didn't find anything. BTW, he's "former" because he is not at large anymore. And "the" leader of the CJNG is El Mencho. Cheers, ComputerJA ( ☎  •  ✎  ) 19:47, 2 May 2017 (UTC)


 * ALT: ... that U.S. citizens are prohibited from engaging in business transactions with Antonio Oseguera Cervantes? ComputerJA ( ☎  •  ✎  ) 19:52, 2 May 2017 (UTC)
 * The ALT hook suggested by ComputerJA is acceptable and has an inline citation. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 13:11, 3 May 2017 (UTC)


 * ALT: ... that U.S. citizens are prohibited from engaging in business transactions with Antonio Oseguera Cervantes? ComputerJA ( ☎  •  ✎  ) 19:52, 2 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Symbol confirmed.svg The ALT hook suggested by ComputerJA is acceptable and has an inline citation. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 13:11, 3 May 2017 (UTC)