Template:Did you know nominations/Armageddon Holocaust

Armageddon Holocaust

 * ... that "Bill Clinton" was a member of the band Armageddon Holocaust?
 * Reviewed: Nicholas Dukagjini

Created/expanded by 3family6 (talk). Self nom at 21:01, 15 March 2012 (UTC)


 * I understand that the quotation marks show that the US president wasn't a member, but this is still potentially confusing. What if you said"that an anonymous member of the band Armageddon Holocaust claimed that his name was 'Bill Clinton'?"That prevents confusion without downplaying the oddness factor.  Alternatively, you could drop the quotation marks and put your original nomination in the April Fools' Day nomination queue.  Nyttend (talk) 22:30, 15 March 2012 (UTC)


 * I agree that the initial hook was confusing. I was going to ask about the April Fool's Day queue, but the server was down when I tried to edit. I'll put it in the April Fool's queue.-- &iquest;3fam  ily6  contribs 00:09, 16 March 2012 (UTC)


 * ALT1 ... that Bill Clinton was a member of the band Armageddon Holocaust?
 * Comment: This version, without quotes, is what is being suggested for April Fool's.-- &iquest;3fam  ily6  contribs 00:27, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Simply not true. One could say that a member of the band said he was Bill Clinton, but there is no evidence that Doctor Dark is, or ever was, called Bill Clinton, and the linkage to that Bill Clinton makes in blatantly untrue and possibly a BLP violation.  Kevin McE (talk) 21:56, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
 * So how does this look? I don't know if it would work for April Fool's, but here we go:-- &iquest;3fam  ily6  contribs 02:21, 17 March 2012 (UTC)
 * ALT2 ... that a member of Armageddon Holocaust claimed to be Bill Clinton?
 * Not with the link. The claim in the article is "Doctor Dark jokingly stated that his real name was Bill Clinton."  He did not claim to be the 42nd president of the US.  Without the link, it is irrefutable (AGFing the source). Kevin McE (talk) 10:00, 17 March 2012 (UTC)
 * What other Bill Clinton would he be referring to? In the interview where he makes the claim, he says "Don't believe me? Me neither!" It's obvious that he is referring to the President, as that is unbelievable.
 * I don't understand the last part of your comment. Can you please elaborate?-- &iquest;3fam  ily6  contribs 11:56, 17 March 2012 (UTC)
 * He said that his real name was Bill Clinton: he did not claim to be any particular individual called Bill Clinton. He might have had the philanderer from Little Rock in mind: it is very possible that he did, but it is not for us to make that speculative leap. Maybe he was simply claiming that his real name was the same as that Bill Clinton.  I can claim to be called David Cameron: that does not mean that I am claiming to be the PM of the UK. Although it is not being presented as a direct quotation, the principle involved is at MOS:QUOTE: As much as possible, avoid linking from within quotes, which may clutter the quotation, violate the principle of leaving quotations unchanged, and mislead or confuse the reader. Kevin McE (talk) 18:47, 17 March 2012 (UTC)
 * So just take out the wikilink?-- &iquest;3fam  ily6  contribs 03:05, 18 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Precisely: that's why I said "Without the link, it is irrefutable". Kevin McE (talk) 12:11, 18 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Okay. I just didn't understand what you meant before. So, is this still good for April Fool's, or would the general DYK be better?-- &iquest;3fam  ily6  contribs 12:19, 18 March 2012 (UTC)-- &iquest;3fam  ily6  contribs 12:19, 18 March 2012 (UTC)
 * ALT3 ... that a member of Armageddon Holocaust claimed to be Bill Clinton?
 * I'm probably going to retract this one for normal DYK, as I have one that is better able to be shocking yet accurate.-- &iquest;3fam  ily6  contribs 12:09, 19 March 2012 (UTC)

This needs a regular, full review. BlueMoonset (talk) 01:44, 2 April 2012 (UTC)
 * ALT4: ... that a member of the Indonesian band Armageddon Holocaust claimed to be Bill Clinton?-- &iquest;3fam  ily6  contribs 13:42, 2 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Tired of looking at this nomiination get nothing. Review forthcoming:
 * Hook: (ALT3) Short enough, interesting, cited. May want to say that the band is Indonesia, for a bit more incredulity.
 * Article: New enough, long enough, referencing is thorough and well-formatted. Fails verifiability though. This does not say the band dissolved after Nekrofonik or that they had a new member, This does not say they were founded in 1999.
 * Summary: Symbol question.svg Referencing issues Crisco 1492 (talk) 02:27, 23 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Fixed. &iquest;3fam  ily6  contribs 17:11, 30 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: added missing sig to previous line; lined out ALT3 hook so only the just-revised "ALT4" remains under consideration. BlueMoonset (talk) 17:26, 30 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Symbol confirmed.svg Looks better Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:12, 1 May 2012 (UTC)