Template:Did you know nominations/Armonía Somers


 * The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as |this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: rejected by David Eppstein (talk) 04:43, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

Armonía Somers

 * ... that it seemed impossible for Armonía Somers' first novel, La mujer desnuda (The Naked Woman, 1950), to have been written by a woman because of the scandalous, overt sexual content?
 * Reviewed: pending

Created by Rosiestep (talk), Krenakarore (talk). Nominated by Rosiestep (talk) at 02:39, 16 July 2014 (UTC).


 * Symbol question.svg Article is new enough (created 14 July 2014), and the 5627 characters (877 words) "readable prose size" far exceeds the 1500 character minimum. It is neutrally written, and raises no BLP issues.
 * However, there are problems which need to be resolved here.
 * There are places where the prose reads a little like a flawed translation, e.g. "There is a long discussion whether the work of Somers belongs to the fantastic literature or not". What does "the fantastic literature" mean?  Is it fantasy literature or great literature?
 * Quite a few important assertions are uncited. I have applied citation needed tags to some of them, but not all.  More refs are needed in other places too.
 * There are also problems with some points where citations are used in the current revision as of 10:54, 18 July 2014. For example:
 * Early years: cited source FN6 describes her father a little vaguely as a "seeker of social utopias", not as an anarchist.
 * Source FN7 appears to be a blog, which is not a WP:RS
 * Career, para 2: "In 1953, when she took the manuscript of El derrumbamiento (1948) to the print shop for a second edition, she came to meet the publisher Roberto Henestrosa whom she married two years later." The cited source FN5 does not mention this
 * Selected works, para 1: cited source FN8 does not support this
 * I gave up checking refs at that stage, because I think that it would be better to let the articles creator(s) do a general review.
 * One issue is that some sources cited cover Somers on multiple pages, and it can be hard to determine which page was used. In those cases it would be better to use the short footnotes system to allow citing of specific page numbers. See WP:CITESHORT.
 * If the creator(s) would like to when they have addressed these points, I will update the review. Please do not forget to do a QPQ review. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 11:13, 18 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your review. The co-editor to this article has made some improvements. Traveling today; I will do the QPQ tomorrow. --Rosiestep (talk) 14:11, 19 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the notice of the improvements. I have added several more fact tags which need to be addressed. Before I do another review, please can you confirm whether you (or Krenakarore) have checked that every reference is now actually verified by the cited source, on a specifically cited page number? -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 14:32, 19 July 2014 (UTC)
 * I could not but come here to say one thing, and you will forgive me for saying that because what I say is not about you, but about the behavior of those who do what you do here: "The day that "reviewers" start searching for references to the issues they point out, Wikipedia will be largely improved." After almost six years contributing to make this a better place for readers like you, I have never ever seen Wikipedia so poor. The article Armonía Somers is a rough translation of Somers' life, and does not reflect in absolutely no way a tenth of what she was. It is just a mere collection of scattered sentences which will gradually be modified throughout the years. If for any reason I committed mistakes here or there while translating and could not find the proper reference to exactly that which you request, again please, forgive me because all I did was to help when I was called to help. I have no interest whatsoever in Did-You-Knowing this or that because I see no privilege in that, much on the contrary, it is Wikipedia that has the privilege to have your, his, her, and my contributions. If you'll find things that you disagree with along the article, once more, please, delete the information but don't "Fact" them because that doesn't help at all. Ok ? Krenakarore  TK 01:01, 20 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Krenakarore, this article has been nominated for DYK, which means that if accepted there will be a link to it from the front page of Wikipedia. Before any article is accepted, quality control checks are done ... and there have been big rows in the past when DYK material has reached the front page without being properly scrutinised.
 * DYK standards are quite low. There is no expectation of completeness or illustrations, or of great writing. But one of the requirements is that the article is referenced to reliable sources, and that those references support the facts asserted. WP:V is one the core policies of Wikipedia, so it should come as no surprise that it is one of the things checked here, and that unreferenced assertions are marked for attention.  There is no deadline for fixing them, but the article won't be accepted for DYK until they are fixed.
 * Nominating an article for DYK means that those checks will be done. If you don't want those checks done, then the solution is simple: don't nominate article for DYK, and take whatever time you need to improve it. Or if you prefer, leave it as is and let someone else work on it.
 * But once it has been nominated for DYK, please don't complain that it has been assessed in accordance with DYK rules. My own DYK nominations are subjected to careful scrutiny (see e.g. James Blair, TDYK:Theobald Jones, John Johnstone or James Balfour), and no matter how long I have worked on an article, somebody nearly always spots an issue, often several. That's the nature of a review, and it's not a criticism of the editors wh created the article. It just means that some things need fixing before a DYK can proceed.
 * Anyway, since you don't accept the review process, the assessment is futile. There is no point in trying to identify the fixes needed to meet DYK standards if the article's creator(s) resent the review process.-- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 02:40, 20 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Symbol possible vote.svg No QPQ, unresolved referencing problems. These might be fixable, but since the article creator resents the review process, I give up. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 02:43, 20 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your time with this article, Krenakarore for expanding it at my suggestion, and BHG for reviewing it. My apologies to each of you for nominating it prematurely. I'm withdrawing the nomination. --Rosiestep (talk) 20:29, 20 July 2014 (UTC)

withdrawn by nom czar ♔   00:29, 21 July 2014 (UTC)