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The result was: promoted by Yoninah (talk) 23:05, 7 February 2018 (UTC)

Bandy X. Lee

 * ... that American psychiatrist Bandy X. Lee believes that President Donald Trump is "unraveling"?
 * Reviewed: Men of Good Will

Created by Philafrenzy (talk). Self-nominated at 12:07, 21 January 2018 (UTC).


 * Symbol possible vote.svg New enough (created by Philafrenzy on January 21, 2018), long enough (2,408 characters), "Articles and hooks that focus unduly on negative aspects of living individuals should be avoided." I don't know if this is rectifiable. QPQ not done.   Hawkeye7   (discuss)  03:22, 22 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I don't know if this is undue and it is a focus not on the article subject but on a public figure about which this is a constant subject of debate. I will come up with some Alts, there are plenty. Philafrenzy (talk) 07:36, 22 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Comment: I'll agree that her assessment isn't undue (it's very well supported, doubtless), but Hawkeye is right that it's an undue focus for this hook unless she's really accomplished nothing notable in her life apart from being one of the majority-of-Americans that disapprove of Trump's behavior before and while in office. If she has, mention it. If she hasn't, then it becomes an AfD issue. — Llywelyn II   07:29, 23 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Plenty of Alts to choose from below:


 * ALT1:... that American psychiatrist Bandy X. Lee briefed 12 members of the United States Congress on the mental health of President Donald Trump?
 * ALT2:... that American psychiatrist Bandy X. Lee edited a book of essays titled The Dangerous Case of Donald Trump?
 * ALT3:... that Korean-American psychiatrist Bandy X. Lee was inspired in her career by her South Korean grandfather Dr Geun-Young Lee?
 * ALT4:... that American psychiatrist Bandy X. Lee initiated reforms to reduce violence at New York's Rikers Island prison?
 * ALT5:... that American psychiatrist Bandy X. Lee has argued that greater inequality in the United States has led to a decline in collective mental health?
 * "Yale University" could possibly be substituted for "American" in any of these. Philafrenzy (talk) 10:06, 23 January 2018 (UTC)
 * QPQ done. Can you comment on the Alts please and continue the review? Thanks. Philafrenzy (talk) 09:45, 26 January 2018 (UTC)
 * QPQ Done. Symbol voting keep.svg on ALT1, ALT3, Symbol confirmed.svg on ALT2 and ALT5, verified by online source Symbol possible vote.svg on ALT4, not supported by article or source. Good to go.  Hawkeye7   (discuss)  11:49, 26 January 2018 (UTC)


 * Comment. I think ALT1 should be used. Imagining this in historical context, if this were JFK's or FDR's psychiatrist, that is the blurb we would use, not anything else. However, if that blurb as it stands is too "controversial", it could be tempered by adding "although she has never met him" (which is already included in the article and sourced). Ivar the Boneful (talk) 08:26, 31 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Symbol question.svg Hi, I came by to promote this. While I like ALT1, with 's addition, I think we could blunt it a little more by mentioning the Goldwater rule:
 * ALT1a: ... that American psychiatrist Bandy X. Lee briefed 12 members of the U.S. Congress on the mental health of President Donald Trump, whom she has never met, in contradiction to the Goldwater rule? Yoninah (talk) 22:36, 7 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Alt1a without "in contradiction to the Goldwater rule"? The problematic nature of her actions is implicit in the statement that she has never met him as anyone will understand that a face to face examination would be normal before giving a medical opinion. Philafrenzy (talk) 22:59, 7 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Symbol confirmed.svg OK. I'll leave out the Goldwater rule. Restoring tick per Hawkeye7's review. Yoninah (talk) 23:01, 7 February 2018
 * I have just been re-reading the Times article and it doesn't explicitly say she has never met him so I think that should be removed too. It wasn't in any of my original hooks. It's certainly implied strongly or there wouldn't be the discussion of the Goldwater rule and I am sure she hasn't but it's not stated explicitly. Philafrenzy (talk) 23:23, 7 February 2018 (UTC)

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