Template:Did you know nominations/Bishophill


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The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:16, 15 November 2016 (UTC)

Bishophill

 * ... that Bishophill, an area of central York in England, may have been named after the "Biche Doughter" tower on the city walls?


 * Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Luppitt Inn

Created by Warofdreams (talk). Self-nominated at 13:13, 25 August 2016 (UTC).


 * Symbol question.svg It's a nice article with pictures going into the 21st century, which makes me wonder why only two sources are cited? I listed 3 more book sources on the talk page which could be used to expand the early history section. Perhaps more sources are available on Google for the later history.
 * Otherwise, new enough, long enough, neutrally written. Unable to check for close paraphrasing in offline sources. Hook is interesting; offline hook ref AGF and cited inline. QPQ done. Yoninah (talk) 23:52, 13 September 2016 (UTC)


 * Those two sources are cited because they cover the area in considerable detail and I thought produced a useful new article which met the requirements for DYK; if not, feel free to fail it. Warofdreams talk 00:14, 17 October 2016 (UTC)
 * It would be a shame to fail this. I'll take a look. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 23:30, 17 October 2016 (UTC)
 * (ec) Thanks, . I was just about to reject it per WP:DYKSG. Yoninah (talk) 23:34, 17 October 2016 (UTC)
 * The sources on the talk page cover similar material to what is in the article. I found a couple of different ones to add on more modern material. If I have time I will do some more tomorrow (Australian time) Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 14:28, 18 October 2016 (UTC)

The number of sources seems fine but the hook seems unconvincing. Elsewhere, I read that bichill is a name of Norse origin and this source says "The area was previously known as Bichill (‘Bitch Hill’), and it has been suggested that the name ‘Bishophill’ arose as an amalgamation between the name of the hill and the name of the church of St Mary of the Bishop, that is St Mary Bishophill Junior (Palliser 1978, 5)." The etymologies seem so tentative that another hook might be better. Perhaps something about the attractive roofscape or the listed Golden Ball, in which the community has cooperative shares? Andrew D. (talk) 20:29, 22 October 2016 (UTC)
 * OK, how about ALT 1: ... that the Golden Ball pub in Bishophill, an area of central York in England, is owned by a local community co-operative? Warofdreams talk 00:03, 30 October 2016 (UTC)
 * ALT 2: ...that although Bishophill lies in central York, in England, the council describes it as "a tranquil haven with a very strong sense of identity"? Warofdreams talk 00:06, 30 October 2016 (UTC)
 * I have to say I like ALT1 more than ALT2 - have also seen material that supports ALT1. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 04:32, 31 October 2016 (UTC)
 * I like ALT 1 too but it says so much that there's little reason for the reader to click through. How about trimming it? Andrew D. (talk) 08:20, 14 November 2016 (UTC)
 * ALT 3: ... that the Golden Ball pub in Bishophill is owned by a local community co-operative?


 * Symbol confirmed.svg I'll pay that. gtg. Cas Liber (talk · contribs)