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Black Action Movement

 * ... that it has been said that "the BAM strike [at the University of Michigan] became one of the few protests of that era in which the students could make a valid claim of victory"?
 * Reviewed: William Neville (poet)

Created/expanded by Ktr101 (talk). Self nom at 01:25, 20 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Symbol possible vote.svg - Length, Date, & Ref all verified, however the article is currently at AfD (albeit trending towards keep) if it survives AfD, then the hook would be good to go. Best, Mifter (talk) 03:37, 20 December 2012 (UTC)
 * It survived, just so you know. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 00:45, 22 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Symbol question.svg Repeating Mifter, this is long enough, new enough, and adequately sourced -- and as Ktr says, it's no longer at AfD. The hook fact is in the article and is sourced, but the hook as written isn't fully supported by the article. The article doesn't use the word "strike"; also, the article is about events in 1970, 1975, and 1987, while the quotation in the hook is specific to 1970. I recommend the following revised wording:
 * ALT1 ... that the 1970 Black Action Movement protests at the University of Michigan have been called "one of the few protests of that era in which the students could make a valid claim of victory"? --Orlady (talk) 03:03, 22 December 2012 (UTC)
 * PS - I added a credit template for User:AllyD. --Orlady (talk) 03:10, 22 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Symbol confirmed.svg Date, length, and ALT1 hook look solid. Not seeing any breaches of policy. Good to go. Gobōnobō  + c 20:48, 28 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Symbol possible vote.svg I'm concerned that some of the phrasing in this article may be too close to that of its sources. Compare for example "African American faculty's concerns over the racial climate on campus, racist remarks made on-air by a WJJX radio disc jockey, housing's efforts to address harassment concerns of African American students in residential halls, and the University of Michigan and Ann Arbor Police Department's handling of a fight" with "Black faculty concerns over racial climate of campus/WJJX radio disc jockey airs racist remarks/Housing's efforts to address harassment of Black students in Residence Halls/University and Ann Arbor Police Department's handling of fight". Nikkimaria (talk) 01:48, 30 December 2012 (UTC)
 * It looks as if that was pulled from the bulleted list of demands and issues here. I revised the 'Third protest' section so that the phrasing is not so close, but the second protest section still needs work. Gobōnobō  + c 19:32, 1 January 2013 (UTC)
 * I am so sorry about that, as I forgot that I had this page here. I re-wrote the part of the section that I wrote, so if anyone wants to give it a look, be my guest. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 05:47, 2 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Symbol confirmed.svg I gave the whole page a thorough check and rewrote some close paraphrasing in the last section. IMO this issue seems resolved, and I removed the close paraphrasing tag. Orlady's hook says it best. Hook ref verified. ALT1 good to go. Yoninah (talk) 18:25, 6 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Symbol question.svg I think someone needs a closer look at FN1: there's some continued close paraphrasing in earlier sections, and some of the rewritten sections now aren't supported by that source. Nikkimaria (talk) 04:49, 7 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Symbol question.svg There were inaccuracies in the third section, which I corrected. It still does not mention the student strike (peacefully standing outside entrances), the march, Jesse Jackson's intervention, Harold Shapiro's approval of a plan with significant cash, etc. There seems to be no discussion of Black Nationalism as an influence on BAM, or demands like immediate tenure for all Black Faculty, Black-student controlled budgets for Black programming, etc. (I forget whether any of these were met.) The first section continues to have close paraphrasing problems, using the AA Chronicle, which seems to be a democracy-movement paper, rather than a traditional newspaper. It might be better to find a more reliable source, since that source makes no attempt at NPOV.  Kiefer  .Wolfowitz  15:17, 13 January 2013 (UTC)
 * If there's a problem with the use of the Ann Arbor Chronicle being an opinionated source, it appears to me that the only real problem is with the hook fact being an opinion statement from that source. (The other uses of the AA Chronicle in the article are for factual information that does not appear to be likely to be influenced by POV.) How about another ALT hook:
 * ALT2 ... that Black Action Movement protests occurred at the University of Michigan in 1970, 1975, and 1987? --Orlady (talk) 17:03, 13 January 2013 (UTC)
 * True, but not especially interesting. :(
 * I am also concerned about the article's sourcing. If a high school student were to write a paper on the movement of the 1980s, he would go to the library and try to find discussions of students opposing Apartheid, etc. Trying to find archives (microfilm?) of the Detroit Free Press or News or (reputable student) Michigan Daily or Ann Arbor Observor, etc. would seem like basic steps. Here's what I found quickly at Google Scholar (in a search on the 1987 BAM):
 * Brune, S. (1984). Conflict and conciliation: A review of the Black Action Movement strike at the University of Michigan. Michigan Journal of Political Science, 5, 39–66.
 * JD Anderson - The Journal of Negro Education, 2007 - JSTOR
 * Covers BAM protests, Jesse Jackson's intervention, Harold Shapiro's decision to fund a lot of stuff, etc..
 * Why Diversity Became Orthodox in Higher Education, and How it Changed the Meaning of Race on Campus   Ellen C. Berrey Critical Sociology.
 * Kiefer .Wolfowitz  19:22, 13 January 2013 (UTC)

I agree that the article is rather deficient in its coverage of the subject matter. When I first reviewed it, I ended up expanding the section on the 1970 movement quite a bit because the article as I found said almost nothing about what happened that year, and because I found errors in what it did say. DYK does not require that an article be complete, though, only that it meet some minimum standards for adequacy. This article is plenty long enough for DYK by character count. I think it provides a minimally adequate introduction to its topic (about which I lack independent knowledge), but I could be convinced that it is still not past stub level. --Orlady (talk) 19:37, 13 January 2013 (UTC)
 * It should say something about the outcome of the protests. There is nothing about Jackson, Harold Shapiro, etc. in the 1987 BAM section. (Students blockading the administrative building during a Board of Regents meeting learned that the funny design was functional. There was a previously unknown underground passage by which the Regents left!) A short paragraph should be doable using the above sources. Kiefer  .Wolfowitz  19:59, 13 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Okay, so what do we all want to do here? Kevin Rutherford (talk) 04:31, 21 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Symbol possible vote.svg I think that's up to you as creator and nominator. The article has a close paraphrasing template on it, and Kiefer has made some specific points about information that should be included but is not; Orlady was also concerned that the article was "rather deficient in its coverage". If you wish to pursue the nomination, then work needs to be done on the article to address both the paraphrasing and the material to be added, and should be started within the week. Otherwise, I think the nomination ought to be closed. BlueMoonset (talk) 14:59, 28 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Okay, sorry for the delay, as I am going to try to tackle it this week, since I should have some time in the coming days. Right now, I am reading it as I need to add in more material, add a "results" section (or something by a better name), and fix up the paraphrasing. If there's anything else that I have missed, let me know, and I'll be sure to add that as well. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 22:03, 3 February 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm going to withdraw this, as I really do not have the time to commit to this as I thought I did. I'm still doing editing, but going through and figuring this out is going to take more time than I thought it would. Thanks for the help, everyone! Kevin Rutherford (talk) 22:54, 11 February 2013 (UTC)


 * Symbol delete vote.svg Withdrawn by creator. BlueMoonset (talk) 00:23, 12 February 2013 (UTC)