Template:Did you know nominations/Bobbi Campbell


 * The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as |this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by — Maile (talk) 20:22, 29 November 2016 (UTC)

Bobbi Campbell

 * ... that when Bobbi Campbell was diagnosed with AIDS, he put photos of his Kaposi's sarcoma lesions in a pharmacy window to help others recognise the symptom ...? Sources:
 * ALT1:... that when Bobbi Campbell appeared on the cover of Newsweek highlighting the AIDS crisis, it was only the second time an openly gay man had appeared on the cover of a mass-market news magazine ...? Sources:
 * ALT2:... that Bobbi Campbell was the 16th person in San Francisco to be diagnosed with AIDS and became the first to come out as a person living with what was then thought of as "gay cancer" ...? Sources: Rejected sources:
 * ALT2a: ... that in 1981 Bobbi Campbell became the first person to publicly identify as a person living with HIV/AIDS ...? Sources: Rejected sources:
 * ALT3:... that, after being diagnosed with AIDS, Bobbi Campbell started a regular column in the San Francisco Sentinel "to demystify the AIDS story" ...? Sources:
 * ALT4:... that Bobbi Campbell helped organize the first candlelight march in San Francisco to bring attention to the AIDS crisis and to remember those who had died ...? Source:
 * ALT5:... that Bobbi Campbell was a prime creator of the Denver Principles, declaring that People With AIDS rejected the terms "victim" and "patient" and empowering their reaction to the AIDS crisis ...? Sources:
 * ALT6:... that when AIDS activist Bobbi Campbell died in August 1984, Castro Street in San Francisco was closed as 1,000 people turned out to mourn and celebrate his life ...? Sources:


 * Reviewed: Ismaël Coulibaly
 * Comment: It would be really good if this could be on Main Page for 1 December, World AIDS Day. I'll try to look for more pieces that might suit.

5x expanded by OwenBlacker (talk). Self-nominated at 21:01, 18 November 2016 (UTC).

Pass - The article was expanded from the 293-word version to the present 2384-word version on the day of nomination. It passes on DYK's time requirements and the 5-fold expansion requirement. The new prose portion is over 1500 words as required.
 * I read the article and give my opinion that it meets WP:N as required. This person is an AIDS hero and the article reflects that, although I also know that this person was a target of intense criticism for being a spokesperson in a time when there was significant social resistance to giving respect to anyone with HIV/AIDS. This current version omits the negativity which gay rights activists and people with AIDS experienced. I understand this, because those kinds of negative sources are not as preserved as the positive ones, but if anyone has them then they might surface them to increase neutrality.
 * The use of citations here would be a model for how any biography could be written in Wikipedia. As I looked over the sources and citations, I got the idea that this biography in Wikipedia must be the most comprehensive biography on this person anywhere because so many different sources are being consolidated here in such a careful way. Events which had news coverage have the original news cited, and care is taken to note which information came from which source even when a single sentence is a compilation of multiple sources.
 * I used Earwig's tool to check for copyright violation. It registered a lot of concerns. I checked them all. One major concern is the use of many quotations, but I feel that they are short and add irreplaceable context to the article as thoughts from the time. The other major concern is the repeated use of odd technical phrases, including "people with AIDS". It just happens that this subject is heavy on technical phrases which have to be used as their own terms, and cannot be exchanged. There is no copyright concern here.
 * The images all have their copyright notices in order. The user who developed this article went to the extra trouble of securing permission for relevant non-free content permission as described at ticket:2016112410000887. There could be debate about whether so many non-free images are necessary, but for the purpose of DYK, the use of images in this article complies. Personally, I think the image use is appropriate.
 * The user did their quid pro quo by reviewing another DYK nomination.
 * Many hooks are proposed. All of them are interesting to a wide audience and meet length requirements. I favor the default one, #2, and #4, all of which are backed by appropriate sources. I will WP:AGF about the sources but the citations seem in order and the information seems right. I might prefer another, more simple version of alt #2 - "that in 1981 Bobbi Campbell became the first person to publicly identify as a person living with HIV/AIDS". Some of the other alts mention local or historical terms in the context which might be too heavy for the international audience of DYK. Symbol confirmed.svg and queue for World AIDS Day 1 December!  Blue Rasberry   (talk)  23:47, 27 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Symbol question.svg Hi, I came by to promote this, but found some problems with the sourcing. I removed the non-reliable sources (user-generated content) and added a citation-needed tag to the second fact in ALT2, which simplified in his ALT2a. I removed sources that didn't confirm the hook fact in ALT0. ALT4 makes it sound like he organized the vigil himself, when the article says he did it with other members of People With AIDS. Yoninah (talk) 11:21, 28 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks. You removed three sources. While I think they are better than mere user generated content, I also think they are weaker than the expected reliable sources. It helps that you removed them. Perhaps they can be tabled for now and we look for better sourcing of other hooks.
 * , can you look at your alts again and sort through which 1-2 you think are backed by the best sources? Perhaps we can proceed based on the most solid sourcing.  Blue Rasberry   (talk)  13:06, 28 November 2016 (UTC)
 * and : I'm not sure I agree that those three sources should be removed (let's hold that conversation for if I go for a Good article nom), but I can definitely spend some time looking for better sourcing for the hooks — I'm pretty sure most of them are mentioned in the other cited sources, in any case. Hold please... :) — OwenBlacker (Talk) 21:49, 28 November 2016 (UTC)
 * I would discuss more later but if possible yes, let's table for now as a compromise to try to get this out for 1 December.  Blue Rasberry   (talk)  22:06, 28 November 2016 (UTC)
 * and : Ok, I've re-sourced ALT0, ALT2 and ALT2a, plus reworded ALT4. It's after midnight here, so I'm off to bed, but I'll probably check in on this before work in the morning. I think my favourites are ALT0, ALT2a, ALT5 and ALT6, but I'm open to persuasion. Thank you both for your help! — OwenBlacker (Talk) 00:15, 29 November 2016 (UTC)
 * I am ready to accept any of these. Yoninah?  Blue Rasberry   (talk)  00:33, 29 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Symbol confirmed.svg Thank you for improving the sourcing. I think (as I always did) that ALT2a is the best – short and impactful for World AIDS Day. Since you and Bluerasberry wrote it, I'm going ahead and approving it. ALT2a hook ref verified and cited inline. Good to go. Yoninah (talk) 18:53, 29 November 2016 (UTC)