Template:Did you know nominations/Born Hater


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The result was: promoted by Fuebaey (talk) 18:41, 8 April 2015 (UTC)

Born Hater

 * ... that in Epik High's 2014 song "Born Hater", Tablo mentions "TaJinYo", his Internet haters who did not believe his Stanford University degree, leading his band to a hiatus for years back in 2010?
 * Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Bonifacio Trial House

Created by 001Jrm (talk). Self nominated at 07:42, 3 February 2015 (UTC).


 * Symbol confirmed.svg Cool article! Length, new, cites, QPQ all good to go. However I think the hook is a bit of a mouthful, any objection to:
 * ALT1 ... that internet haters questioning Tablo's credentials caused his band Epik High to go on hiatus, a problem they addressed in their 2014 song, "Born Hater"? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Maury Markowitz (talk • contribs) 14:46, 5 February 2015‎ (UTC)
 * @Maury Markowitz Thanks for reviewing. I'm ok with your alt. :) 001Jrm (talk) 03:19, 9 February 2015 (UTC)

His band required a Stanford degree? That must be some cerebral band! EEng (talk) 05:30, 8 February 2015 (UTC)
 * @EEng Nope, at the time that the band was really famous (prob. based on awards and recognition), the news of Tablo (member of Epik High) attaining two degrees in Stanford within 3 1/2 years came up, and his haters began to make a fuss out of it. Tablo tried to provide solid proofs and evidences (Stanford even made an article about it), but his haters did not believe him. Instead, his family started receiving death threats and more leading his band to a long hiatus. 001Jrm (talk) 03:19, 9 February 2015 (UTC)
 * I don't have time just now but I think a careful review of the Stanford article just linked should yield a snappier hook -- I'd focus on the irony of going to Stanford somehow leading to death threats. EEng (talk) 05:07, 9 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Uhhhmm,, how about..
 * ALT2 ... that Tablo's degrees from Stanford led his Internet haters to make death threats against his family and his band Epik High to go on hiatus, a problem he mentioned in their 2014 song "Born Hater"?


 * ALT3 ... that Epik High's 2014 song "Born Hater" refers to Tablo's internet haters making death threats against his family because of his Stanford degrees? EEng (talk) 02:11, 10 February 2015 (UTC)
 * I'm okay with your alt, but then "Born Hater" is not just about Tablo's haters, but also the other rappers' haters, so I'm not sure if it should be clarified in the alt. Thanks! :) 001Jrm (talk) 03:11, 11 February 2015 (UTC)
 * A hook doesn't have to be optimally specific. But try:
 * ALT4 ... that in Epik High's 2014 song "Born Hater", Tablo sings about death threats against his family related to his Stanford degrees?
 * That way it sounds a bit less like that's all the song is about (more weird too). EEng (talk) 03:32, 11 February 2015 (UTC)
 * haha. I'm actually okay with either hooks, just making sure of it. Anyways, it's up to the reviewer what hook s/he'll like best. Thanks so much for 'guiding' me through to a much better hook! haha. 001Jrm (talk) 04:27, 11 February 2015 (UTC)


 * Symbol redirect vote 4.svg Given all the ALT hooks since proposed, this needs a new reviewer to check them and their sourcing and state which hooks are valid and which are not, and also to cover what was missed in the original review: neutrality and close paraphrasing. Many thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 23:14, 6 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Ummm, what are these last two items? I am unaware of any objections on N or para. Maury Markowitz (talk) 21:18, 23 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Maury, your original review did not cover these standard DYK criteria, so the assumption is you didn't check either of them. If you did check them, feel free to add what you found to your review. You can also review the ALT2 through ALT4 hooks, if you'd like, and say which ones are valid. BlueMoonset (talk) 23:02, 23 March 2015 (UTC)


 * Symbol redirect vote 4.svg Still looking for a new reviewer here to check the ALT hooks, and the article's neutrality and whether there's any close paraphrasing. Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 23:56, 3 April 2015 (UTC)


 * : REVIEW COMPLETED - The following review was completed by Esemono 
 * Green check.svg QPQ for Template:Did you know nominations/Bonifacio Trial House
 * Green check.svg Article created by 001Jrm on February 3, 2015 and has 5088 characters of readable prose
 * Green check.svg NPOV
 * Green check.svg ALT4 Hook is interesting, short enough at sourced with Refs 12 and 13
 * Green check.svg Ref 12 - Tablo, graduated from Stanford with a seemingly uncontroversial record: two English degrees, a bachelor’s in 2001 and a master’s in 2002. But over the past six months, an Internet campaign has launched attacking Lee’s credentials and, he says, threatening him and his family
 * Green check.svg Ref 13 - To Koreans, he was known as Tablo ... his career was in tatters, he'd parted ways with his record label, and his family was receiving death threats. The reason? Hundreds of thousands of Koreans refused to believe that Lee, '02, MA '02, graduated from Stanford.''
 * Green check.svg Every paragraph sourced except for the allowed Synopsis paragraph
 * Green check.svg Earwig @ Toolserver Copyvio Detector found no copyvio
 * Symbol confirmed.svg GTG -- Esemono (talk) 13:32, 8 April 2015 (UTC)