Template:Did you know nominations/Bruno Möhring

Bruno Möhring

 * ... Symbol delete vote.svg that the Jugendstil architect Bruno Möhring was an iconic figure in the field of architecture in Germany?
 * Reviewed:Template:Did you know nominations/Sarla Behn

Created by Rosiestep (talk), Nvvchar (talk). Nominated by Rosiestep (talk) at 22:16, 1 June 2013 (UTC).


 * Symbol confirmed.svg Size, date, hook ref and QPQ all check out. No copy-vio detected. &mdash; Vensatry (Ping me) 06:38, 5 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Symbol question.svg Sorry, but calling somebody an "iconic figure" is an opinion. It's not a subjective fact. More significantly, the source cited in the article to support the statement does not use the word "iconic", nor "icon". How about a different hook? --Orlady (talk) 13:21, 6 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Agree. Personal opinions must be sourced to attributed refs. How about ALT1: Symbol delete vote.svg ... that the Jugendstil architect Bruno Möhring was in charge of Greater Berlin's general development plan? &mdash; Vensatry  (Ping me) 05:11, 7 June 2013 (UTC)
 * ALT1 is Ok.-- Nvvchar . 12:38, 11 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Symbol possible vote.svg I found the source that forms a basis for ALT1, but the hook fact is not presented in the article in a fashion that would allow a reader to find it there. Moreover, the source does not support the hook as written. The hook implies that he directed the implementation of the plan, but the source suggests that he was one of three people who drafted the 1910 plan.
 * I've read through the article and the sources in search of another hook. It is difficult. The article says he was a Jugendstil architect, but there is no information about his work in this style. His designs for bridges are prominent in the article and the sources; perhaps that's a topic for a hook. Meanwhile, I suggest working on the language of the article, as some of it is very difficult to read -- and it is unconventional to mention someone's illnesses and death in a section entitled "Notable structures". Also, I find that the text Bruno and his associate Rudolph Eberstadt proposed an imperial forum with the Ministry of War, opposite to the Reichstag, symbolic “of the army and the people, the true bearers of German greatness and power unified in the monuments of architecture” is almost identical the source; I suggest checking for other instances of close paraphrasing. --Orlady (talk) 13:52, 11 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Hopefully, I have addressed all the above concerns. I suggest the following two ALT hooks.-- Nvvchar . 19:02, 17 June 2013 (UTC)
 * ALT2 Hook Symbol delete vote.svg ... that Bruno Möhring view was that the high rise buildings "gave life to the city"?
 * ALT3 Hook ... t hat Bruno Möhring specialized initially in building of architectural decoration of iron structures, particularly for bridges?
 * Symbol redirect vote 4.svg Hmm... Some of the issues are resolved, but the article as I found it still was very difficult to read and understand. The ALT2 hook does not correctly convey the sense that I found in the cited sources. ALT3 is very awkwardly worded (both in the hook and in the article), and I don't find it particularly interesting. I've edited a few parts of the article, and I suggest the following hook:
 * ALT4: Symbol voting keep.svg ... that Bruno Möhring was a proponent of high-rise construction in Berlin at a time when most of his fellow German architects opposed skyscrapers?
 * Someone else will need to pick up the review. --Orlady (talk) 03:44, 18 June 2013 (UTC)
 * I've given it another c/e. --Rosiestep (talk) 23:42, 23 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Symbol redirect vote 4.svg  Repeating the request for a new reviewer. Since I wrote a brand new hook, I'm too involved to complete this one. --Orlady (talk) 23:58, 23 June 2013 (UTC)
 * ALT4 is not supported by the article. It just says that he was one of the first German architects to embrace the skyscraper as a design concept; the others did not necessarily oppose skyscrapers, they just had not worked with the new designs and materials. Suggest using this as a hook:
 * ALT5: ... that Bruno Möhring was one of the first German architects to embrace the skyscraper as a design concept? Hawkeye7 (talk) 21:18, 29 June 2013 (UTC)
 * ALT5 hook is fine with us.-- Nvvchar . 03:39, 30 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Symbol redirect vote 4.svg Still needs a review. --Orlady (talk) 14:31, 30 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Article is new enough, long enough, not fully referenced - two additional refs are required for the first and last paragraphs of Career section. If you can't find references, just cut these sentences. QPQ done. AGF on offline hook ALT5. Hawkeye7 (talk) 19:46, 30 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Hawkeye7: I've removed the 2 sentences which had citation need tags. --Rosiestep (talk) 21:38, 30 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Good to go with ALT5 Hawkeye7 (talk) 21:45, 30 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Symbol question.svgSymbol redirect vote 4.svg Since Hawkeye7 is the one who proposed ALT5, someone else needs to approve it, as approving one's own hook is not allowed per WP:DYKSG. Need an independent reviewer for ALT5. BlueMoonset (talk) 00:13, 2 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Argh! ALT4 is actually explicitly supported by a source (this one, which states that "most European architects were very critical of the American skyscraper"), but not by the current version of the article. (Back when I proposed the hook, the article stated: "During the early decades of the 20th century, a period when most European architects expressed distaste for the skyscrapers being built in the United States, Möhring expressed his admiration for America's high-rise buildings".) ALT5 is in the article, but it's not supported by the source that is cited for that passage. --Orlady (talk) 03:45, 2 July 2013 (UTC)
 * I've put the sentence back which corresponds to ALT! and added an inline citation. --Rosiestep (talk) 16:55, 4 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Which I can review because it's not my hook. But the article is still a reference short. Hawkeye7 (talk) 20:20, 4 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I had missed it. Refrence fixed now.-- Nvvchar . 14:40, 5 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Symbol redirect vote 4.svg Ready for another look. --Orlady (talk) 15:00, 5 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Symbol voting keep.svg Good to go with ALT4. Struck the other hooks to avoid confusion. Hawkeye7 (talk) 21:17, 5 July 2013 (UTC)