Template:Did you know nominations/CMLL 68th Anniversary Show


 * The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as |this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by SST  flyer  10:48, 25 September 2016 (UTC)

The only concern seems to be whether the hook is interesting or not. Rough consensus this is OK

CMLL 68th Anniversary Show

 * ... that the CMLL 68th Anniversary Show was the first time that a steel cage match was held at a CMLL anniversary show?


 * Reviewed: Farida Arriany
 * Comment: My QPQ was originally listed for a 70-article hook that was not passed, but broken up into smaller parts and this QPQ was not used as not all 70 articles were submitted as DYK hooks, so if the bot runs it will call it out.

5x expanded by MPJ-DK (talk). Self-nominated at 15:05, 7 August 2016 (UTC).

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 * Symbol redirect vote 4.svg No issues found with article, ready for human review. --DYKReviewBot (report bugs) 19:16, 25 August 2016 (UTC)
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 * Symbol question.svg Some overall issues detected
 * &#x2713; The hook ALT0 is an appropriate length at 111 characters
 * &#x2717; MPJ-DK has more than 5 DYK credits. A QPQ review is required for this nomination.
 * &#x2717; Template:Did you know nominations/Farida Arriany appears to have been used as QPQ for Template:Did you know nominations/70 IWRG DYKs, Template:Did you know nominations/CMLL 68th Anniversary Show
 * Note to human reviewer: the 70 DYK never got promoted, I used the QPQ for other hooks as well, so it should not be a problem to use it here. If you go that hook you can see it was not promoted.  MPJ  -DK 19:35, 25 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Side note, I think that is the last 70 dyk QPQ I will use, fresh ones going forward. MPJ  -DK 19:35, 25 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Symbol voting keep.svg This article is a five-fold expansion and is new enough and long enough. The hook fact is sourced to two different off-line sources. The article is neutral and the sources are largely in Spanish and unavailable to me. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 05:26, 26 August 2016 (UTC)


 * ALT0: So what? The first time an X was staged at a Y? Wow, I'd never have expected that!  E Eng  18:37, 11 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Dude what is with the attitude? Holy crap did you want up on the wrong side of the bed or something? Please compose yourself and let's have an adult conversation. Considering it took them 68 years to hold a cage match at their anniversary show I thought was interesting.  MPJ  -DK 20:14, 11 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Well, since Professional wrestling match types lists "steel cage match" as just one of a bewildering array of gimmick theatrical events...

1	Singles matches 1.1	Variations of singles matches 2	Team matches 2.1	Tag team match 2.2	Tornado tag team match 2.3	Elimination tag team match 3	Winner Takes All match 3.1	List of Winner Takes All matches in WWE 4	Empty Arena match 5	Falls Count Anywhere match 6	Flag match 6.1	Flag matches in WWE 7	Handicap match 8	Iron Man match 9	Lumberjack match 10	Strip matches 10.1	Bra and panties match 10.2	Tuxedo match 10.3	Evening Gown match 11	Substance match 12	Non-wrestling matches 12.1	Arm wrestling match 12.2	Boxing match 12.3	Mixed martial arts match 12.4	Pillow fight 12.5	Sumo match 13	Hardcore-based variations 13.1	Barbed wire steel cage match 13.2	Clockwork Orange House of Fun match 13.3	Fans Bring the Weapons match 13.4	First Blood match 13.5	Last Man Standing match 13.6	No countout match 13.7	No Holds Barred match 13.8	Taipei Deathmatch 13.9	Barbed Wire Massacre 14	Stipulation-based variations 14.1	Elevation X match 14.2	Last Chance match 14.3	Loser Leaves Town match 14.4	Kiss My Foot match 14.5	Luchas de Apuestas 14.6	Spin the Wheel, Make the Deal 15	Location-based variations 15.1	Boiler Room Brawl 15.2	Parking Lot Brawl 15.3	Pig Pen match 15.4	Miracle on 34th Street Fight 15.5	Trick or Street Fight 15.6	Chicago Street Fight 15.7	Belfast Brawl 16	Weapon-based variations 16.1	Crazy 8 match 16.2	Ladder match 16.3	Weapon match 16.4	(Object) on a Pole match 16.5	Strap match 16.6	Straitjacket match 16.7	Tables match 16.8	Table to fall match 16.9	Taped Fist match 17	Enclosure-based variations 17.1	Steel cage match 17.2	Chamber match 17.3	Doomsday Cage match 17.4	Hell in a Cell 17.5	Electrified Cage match 17.6	Elimination Chamber 17.7	Inferno match 17.8	Punjabi Prison match 17.9	Thundercage 17.10	Thunderbowl 17.11	Triple Cage match 17.12	WarGames 17.13	Dixieland match 17.14	Lethal Lockdown 17.15	Xscape match 17.16	Asylum match 18	Container-based variations 18.1	Ambulance match 18.2	Buried Alive match 18.3	Casket match 18.4	Last Ride match 18.5	Stretcher match 19	Multi-competitor match variations 19.1	Basic non-elimination matches 19.2	Championship Scramble 19.3	Basic elimination matches 19.4	Battle Royal 19.5	Gauntlet match 19.6	Series variations 19.7	Three Stages of Hell match 19.8	Beat the Clock challenge match 19.9	Elimination Chase

...why is the first steel cage match anything special? The whole idea of professional wrestling is the constant re-ignition of flagging fan interest with increasingly stupid variations and stunts. Will we also have a DYK on the first "bra-and-panties" match, because it took X years for one of them too? I'm really tired of these silly "firsts".  E Eng  20:53, 11 September 2016 (UTC)


 * - four alternatives.  MPJ  -DK 20:48, 11 September 2016 (UTC)
 * ALT1 = ... that the main event of the CMLL 68th Anniversary Show would determine who would be allowed to call themselves Los Infernales?
 * ALT2 = ... that the magic mask was lost forever at the CMLL 68th Anniversary Show and could never be worn again?
 * ALT3 = ... that a Nazi and a fake Puerto Rican were at ringside for one of the matches at the CMLL 68th Anniversary Show?
 * Alt4 = ... that the Last Warrior, the Pirate King, Young Tarzan and the Magic Mask lost their name at the CMLL 68th Anniversary Show?


 * You want some clicks? Try this:
 * ALT5 ... that a wrestler lost his mascara at the CMLL 68th Anniversary Show?
 * (I'm basing this on ALT2, though I can't really see where in the article ALT2 comes from.)  E Eng  20:59, 11 September 2016 (UTC)


 * Hmmm could you make your distain for pro wrestling a little more obvious? Really is that what we are reduced to? Such distain for the topic in general? And you are basically suggesting "a wrestler lost his mask" as a more interesting hook?  MPJ  -DK 22:37, 11 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Alt2 is the fact that Mascara Magica lost his mask as a result of the main event, a mask he never wore again. The last part about never wearing it again can easily be added to the aftermath portion as I do have a source for it to support it. I bsically pitched hooks that I know are true and can source even if not in the article currently. Once I get a bead on which hook I will make sure it meets the requirements in the article too.  MPJ  -DK 22:55, 11 September 2016 (UTC)


 * I admit that I think professional wrestling is utterly stupid (and I suspect that, secretly, you do as well -- please don't answer that) but that's not my concern. Look, if a hook said, "Did you know that the first Academy Award for Special Effects was awarded in 1960?" I'd have the same reaction -- well, some year had to be first, so what are you telling me? In this case, as I said, there are apparently literally scores of these stupid match types, and each of them had to debut somewhere, sometime. I think you'll get lots of clicks for a wrestler losing his mascara.  E Eng  02:57, 12 September 2016 (UTC)
 * So at this point I am going to go ahead and totally ignore you, Doine, finish, kaput. Not catering to your total lack of a respect. If the hook sits forever without being used then that is still better than bending over backwards to that - not worth it to reinforce such behavior.  MPJ  -DK  03:51, 12 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Mine was just one opinion -- others might have a different opinion -- but if that's your decision so be it. I'm sure that as you write other articles you'll come across some with material that makes good hooks.  E Eng  05:11, 12 September 2016 (UTC)


 * Symbol redirect vote 4.svg So I would like someone else to have a look at the main hook (already verified) or the different ALTs I have proposed to see which one is the most "Interesting". Preferably someone not showing an active disdain for the subject, thank you.  MPJ  -DK  22:27, 12 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Sorry, why did you strike ALT5?  E Eng  02:46, 13 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Because I don't like it at all.  MPJ  -DK 03:12, 13 September 2016 (UTC)
 * I have boldly un-struck ALT5 (diff). No reason has been given for its striking, other than a subjective statement of "Because I don't like it at all". No prejudice against re-striking if an objective rationale is provided, such as one based upon the WP:DYKRULES. North America1000 09:17, 16 September 2016 (UTC)
 * As much as I disagree about what would be a good hook here, I'm bound to say that it's usually been the practice that the nominator's preference for hooks be given great weight. If MPJ doesn't like ALT5, we should respect that (assuming there are other usable hooks).  E Eng  18:56, 16 September 2016 (UTC)


 * boring "a wrestler lost his mask" I have been told repeately that this is a boring. misleading, he did not lose any make up. Hook is not in the article and would not appear in that form in the article. That is three rules right there that have had hooks pulled from the queues before. Don't really feel like dealing with that again.  MPJ  -DK 12:01, 16 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Symbol voting keep.svg I approved the original hook and am going to repeat that approval. The alternative hooks that MPJ-DK suggested were by way of examples as to what could be used but are largely unacceptable at the moment and I have struck them. This pursuit of "interestingness" is becoming a bit over-zealous, IMO. At this show, CMLL used a steel cage event for the first time, a thing they had previously not done in 68 years of anniversary shows. Seems OK to me. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:11, 25 September 2016 (UTC)