Template:Did you know nominations/Carillon and Grenville Railway


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The result was: promoted by Yoninah (talk) 23:21, 1 November 2017 (UTC)

Carillon and Grenville Railway

 * ... that the Carillon and Grenville Railway was the last broad gauge railway in North America?
 * ALT1:... that the Carillon and Grenville Railway was the shortest railway in North America?
 * Reviewed: Fayoum Light Railway

Created by Maury Markowitz (talk). Self-nominated at 13:01, 16 October 2017 (UTC).


 * Symbol voting keep.svg on ALT1; Symbol question.svg on first hook.  New enough, created day of nomination.  7x long enough.  Article is written in neutral manner, with an inline source our sources for each paragraph.  No copyvio issues detected by Earwig or myself.  The hooks are within format, and each are directly cited within the article proper.  QPQ complete.  No image to check against.  The problem with the original hook is that the source says the railroad was the last Canadian broad gauge.  I have no reason to doubt the statement that it was the last North American broad gauge, but I can't find the source supports it.  Where does the source say the last broad gauge in the USA, or Mexico, or the Bahamas was?  The ALT1 hook is directly supported by the source.  Frankly, I like it better for a general audience.  I have no doubt that "broad gauge" will have railfans drooling, but I think "shortest railway" will catch the general interest better.   78.26  (spin me / revolutions) 16:13, 18 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Symbol question.svg I am hesitant to promote ALT1 as its claim of "shortest" is open to challenge. The footnote mentions "In terms of being a separate operating company", and the Railway Magazine source is dated 1912 so you would need to add "at the time of its construction" or somesuch. It would be much safer to have a hook that didn't make a record-breaking claim of this sort. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:14, 25 October 2017 (UTC)
 * pinging - do you have further input?   78.26  (spin me / revolutions) 13:34, 26 October 2017 (UTC)

Is there any reason not to replace North American with Canadian? One of my sources said that, but this seems quicker than finding it. Maury Markowitz (talk) 18:28, 26 October 2017 (UTC)
 * if you're talking about "shortest", I'm afraid that wouldn't change the concerns raised by regarding the superlative.  I would suggest proposing an alternative hook, incorporating the 1912 limitation.  If you're talking about "last broad-gauge", I would be fine changing that to Canadian, because I don't think you'd find it open to challenge in the same way, since broad-gauge has not been in use since your sources were published.   78.26  (spin me / revolutions) 18:46, 26 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Yes, I mean the first of the two, last Canadian. Maury Markowitz (talk) 13:19, 27 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Ok, looking it up, the title of the one reference, which is the only one written in that era, is "The Shortest Railway in America".
 * Well, I could propose alternate hooks based on your suggestions, but then it would need a new reviewer., if you set forth the ALT proposals per what you've stated, Ill bet I could approved them, and move this forward.    78.26  (spin me / revolutions) 16:23, 1 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Approved! Maury Markowitz (talk) 16:25, 1 November 2017 (UTC)
 * I think ALT0a is where we are now. Are you happy with that ? Cwmhiraeth (talk) 20:31, 1 November 2017 (UTC)
 * ALT0a ... that the Carillon and Grenville Railway was the last broad-gauge railway in Canada?

Yes, this hook should address all concerns. The other hooks may well be true, but this hook is demonstrably true, tied directly to the source, AGF. Now, who knows if some hobbyist made a broad-gauge railroad on the back-40 acres of his farm, but there's nitpicking, and then there's NITPICKING! 78.26 (spin me / revolutions) 20:55, 1 November 2017 (UTC)