Template:Did you know nominations/Charles F. Seabrook


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The result was: promoted by 97198 (talk) 10:19, 14 December 2014 (UTC)

Charles F. Seabrook

 * ... that the founder of Forbes called Charles F. Seabrook the "Henry Ford of agriculture"?
 * ALT1:... that Charles F. Seabrook owned and operated the largest truck farm in the world in the 1940s?
 * Reviewed: Venus of Savignano

Created by Staticshakedown (talk). Self nominated at 16:32, 10 October 2014 (UTC).


 * Looks new enough and long enough, enough inline citations, and hook is cited; however I am concerned about the possibility of a copyvio from this source (43.5% according to Earwig's tool). I don't feel comfortable supporting this DYK until this issue is resolved, but other than that it looks good to go (as soon as the QPQ is resolved, of course).  Jinkinson   talk to me  19:00, 10 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the review. I will hopefully have time by the end of this week to complete a review and address the copyvio concerns. static shakedown ʕ •ᴥ•ʔ  19:00, 15 October 2014 (UTC)


 * Hold it. There's an inherent contradiction in the phrase "largest truck farm in the world". What do you call a truck farm? EEng (talk) 02:58, 16 October 2014 (UTC)
 * It says in the wikipedia page that on a large scale, a "market garden" business farm is known as a "truck farm". static shakedown ʕ •ᴥ•ʔ 10:54, 16 October 2014 (UTC)
 * What it says is
 * A market garden is the relatively small-scale production of fruits, vegetables and flowers as cash crops, frequently sold directly to consumers and restaurants. The diversity of crops grown on a small area of land, typically, from under one acre (0.4hA) to a few acres, or sometimes in greenhouses distinguishes it from other types of farming. Such a farm on a larger scale is sometimes called a truck farm.
 * Seabrook's "54,000 acres of land across three states and employing over 4,000 workers" doesn't quite sound like "somewhat larger". The characterization as a truck farm is from 1921, and I have a feeling it was being used there facetiously.
 * I'm also startled to see the passage
 * At the age of 14, C.F. was the first to use irrigation methods in farming by installing a single pipe with punched holes that fed water droplets over a celery bed in 1907.
 * The first to use irrigation? Are you joking? EEng (talk) 15:17, 16 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Duly noted. I will work on those parts. static shakedown ʕ •ᴥ•ʔ  22:04, 16 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Driveby comment: The irrigation reference above seems to refer to Drip irrigation. However, if you click the link, you find he was way too late to be first.Georgejdorner (talk) 17:58, 6 December 2014 (UTC)


 * The article now has two references that call Seabrook Farms "truck farming", and there are more.(e.g., ) They probably use this terminology because his father's farm was a small-scale truck farm, and it has grown since then. I also cleaned up the wording about the irrigation techniques.  static shakedown ʕ •ᴥ•ʔ  01:35, 19 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Not doubting your GF, but this is completely contrary to my long understanding of the term truck farm -- it's like saying mom-and-pop supermarket. Can you quote one or both of these sources? EEng (talk) 02:15, 19 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Sure, the first citation says "Seabrook Farms, made up of sixteen companies and corporations at the time, operated a truck farming enterprise and freezing plant..." and then second citation above says "...the Japanese Peruvian Crystal City internees were able to remain in the United States, where throughout 1946 most were paroled at labor at Seabrook Farms near Bridgeton, New Jersey, a truck farming and food freezing plant..." static shakedown ʕ •ᴥ•ʔ  13:52, 19 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Clearly there's some use of the term I'm not familiar with. But look, I think others may be similarly confused as I was, so why not go with the original Henry Ford hook, which I think is more catchy anyway? EEng (talk) 15:32, 19 October 2014 (UTC)


 * Symbol redirect vote 4.svg New review needed to check both hooks and close paraphrasing. Earwig's tool is deprecated at DYK, so other close paraphrasing/copyvio checks should be made, perhaps with Duplication detector or by reviewing the sources directly. Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 17:59, 16 November 2014 (UTC)


 * Symbol voting keep.svg This article is new enough and long enough. It seems safest to go with the original hook and I have struck ALT1. The original hook is cited to a book written by Seabrook's son, but as the title of the book starts "The Henry Ford of Agriculture", it seems unlikely that this claim is controversial. The article is neutral and I detected no close paraphrasing/copyright violations in the spot checks I did. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 09:22, 14 December 2014 (UTC)