Template:Did you know nominations/Charles Hastings Judd


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The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:28, 30 January 2017 (UTC)

Charles Hastings Judd

 * ... that Charles Hastings Judd (pictured) was mistaken to be a Native Hawaiian by Qing politician Li Hongzhang during King Kalākaua's world tour?
 * Reviewed: Ciomadul

Created by KAVEBEAR (talk). Self-nominated at 23:37, 29 December 2016 (UTC).


 * Symbol confirmed.svg Article is new enough and long enough. Sources are neutral and verifiable. No close paraphrasing problems. QPQ done. Hook is supported by in-line citation (Li Hongzhang is referred to as "the viceroy" and the anecdote about him appears on pg. 95 of the cited source). I was also impressed with how many of the citations are available online! Rachel Helps (BYU) (talk) 20:52, 9 January 2017 (UTC)
 * I forgot to review the picture. It is in the public domain, as the commons page states. The book it was taken from was published before 1923. Rachel Helps (BYU) (talk) 20:56, 9 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Do you mean "mistakenly thought to be...?" Yoninah (talk) 21:08, 21 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Sure that works too.KAVEBEAR (talk) 21:09, 21 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Reading the way you wrote it in the article, maybe this is better:
 * ALT1: ... that when Charles Hastings Judd (pictured) accompanied King Kalākaua on his world tour, Qing politician Li Hongzhang and the Earl Spencer mistook him for the king? Yoninah (talk) 22:04, 21 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Ok sure. Let's get this approved. Symbol redirect vote 4.svg --KAVEBEAR (talk) 02:37, 22 January 2017 (UTC)

I struck ALT1, because it is not accurate. Li Hongzhang never mistook Judd for Kalakaua. He spoke directly to Kalakaua and knew who he was. Also, I'm not sure about whether the original (now struck) was accurate, unless I missed something in reading the source. It's that,conversation, I think, where you are saying he mistook Judd for a Native Hawaiian. The conversation in the source (p=95) says this: The viceroy is talking to Kalakaua (referring to Judd and Armstrong)→- "Are the gentlemen in your suite Hawaiians?"; Kalakaua answers→. "Both are Hawaiians." Since Armstrong had no Hawaiian blood, Kalakaua surely must have meant nationality. The viceroy then goes on to point out the different in skin colors between Judd (dark) and Armstrong (white). Kalakaua says→ "The parents of both were Americans." — Maile (talk) 00:10, 25 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Kalakaua meant nationality but I think Li was confused at first because he also asks "Why are they different? Do you have white natives among your subjects?". Then the king has to explain they had American parents. Also ALT1 upon a second look is a misread of what is in the article which states that Li and Earl Spencer both mistook him for a Native Hawaiian but only Earl Spencer mistook him for the king. (which exist as a clause at the end of that sentence)...Anyway, I am suggesting these two hooks since I just discovered something else more interesting and not as well covered. --KAVEBEAR (talk) 01:10, 25 January 2017 (UTC)


 * ALT2: ... that in 1873 the Royal Guards of Hawaii mutinied and demanded the removal of Hungarian drillmaster Captain Joseph Jajczay and the adjutant general Charles Hastings Judd (pictured)?
 * ALT3: ... that during the 1873 mutiny of the Royal Guards of Hawaii, the Hungarian drillmaster Captain Joseph Jajczay and the adjutant general Charles Hastings Judd (pictured) were attacked?

These hooks will need a new review. --KAVEBEAR (talk) 01:10, 25 January 2017 (UTC)

Also, the image has not yet had a review. So, let me add that it's in the article, uploaded on Commons with a date of 1890, sourced with a working link, and PD-US. Both ALT2 and ALT3 work. Stated in the article, and sourced. AGF that Rachel Helps (BYU) took care of the rest of the review above. But just for the heck of it, I ran Earwig. What it shows as a match are quotes, common phrases and names - nothing of concern. So...this nomination finally passed with ALT2 and ALT3. — Maile (talk) 01:32, 25 January 2017 (UTC)