Template:Did you know nominations/Cheerleading in Australia


 * The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as |this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: rejected by Yoninah (talk) 10:21, 20 September 2018 (UTC)

article and hook issues still outstanding

Cheerleading in Australia

 * ... that Gymnastics Australia will cease to be the governing body for Cheerleading in Australia at the end of 2018? Source for hook: Cheerleading in Australia
 * ALT1:... that Gymnastics Australia decided it will no longer represent Cheerleading in Australia? (same source, different phrasing)

Created by Pelagic (talk). Self-nominated at 03:51, 22 July 2018 (UTC).


 * Symbol possible vote.svg The article needs some more work before it can be promoted. Some of the sources are Facebook, and ideally a better source should be provided unless there are no other available sources. The sourcing in the "Rules" section is unclear, and it even appears to not use proper inline citations. Finally, I don't think either hook is interesting to a broad audience. If anything, a hook about the film Bring It On helping boost the sport's popularity in Australia might be better. The nominator has only one other DYK credit so a QPQ is unnecessary, but more work still needs to be done. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 00:11, 1 August 2018 (UTC)


 * Symbol delete vote.svg Although the nominator has been active on Wikipedia, they have been unable to respond to multiple requests for comment, and in fact have not edited the article at all since July 15, which is before the nomination date. As such, unless the nominator responds soon or another editor decides to adopt this, this nomination is now marked for closure as stale. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 02:01, 12 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the review, . I've been stressing over contemplating how to progress this, or whether to even bother.
 * The one Facebook reference was only to establish the time frame for founding ACSA, as the other sources I found are undated. I flagged it  for [better source needed] in the hope that somebody might find one eventually.  If that makes it unsuitable for DYK, I can take it out.
 * I'll go over the Rules section and see if I can clarify. Is the problem with the parts where multiple sources are grouped into a single note?  The fact that some cites are roughly formatted?  Or is it with unsourced statements?
 * Regarding the hook, that's a whole discussion by itself. Bring it On has been credited with sparking interest in "all-star" style cheerleading around the world, not just in Australia.  I see that angle might seem catchy to the unititiated, but would come across as rather ho-hum to readers who have passing familiarity with the subject.  I was angling more towards the widespread perception that cheer is "not a real sport".  For the people who believe that, it might be surprising to lean that Australia's peak gymnastics body recognised it as such.  For those who believe it is a real sport, it will be significant that Gymnastics Australia is pulling out.  Thus the angle appeals to both audiences.  Is there a way we can express that in a more engaging way without being too sensational?
 * Pelagic (talk) 06:40, 12 August 2018 (UTC)
 * "I see that angle might seem catchy to the unititiated" Um, that's more or less what DYK is all about: hooks are intended to be interesting to a broad audience, not just those who are familiar with the subject. What may be interesting to fans might not be so for non-fans, and vice-versa. The key is trying to find a hook that can appease both sides, and the Bring It On part could be a step in that direction. As for the "Rules" section, it only has notes about the rules but does not cite any specific sources at all. This needs to be resolved before this nomination can continue. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 23:47, 12 August 2018 (UTC)
 * I've restructured the rules section and retrieved some sources from the Wayback Machine. There are 12 citations of 9 references in the section now. As to the hook, how does the following Alt2 sound? Pelagic (talk) 09:09, 26 August 2018 (UTC)


 * Alt2:...that, in Australia, Cheerleading was an official gymnastic sport from 2008 to 2018?
 * I'm not sure about ALT2. I'm not exactly familiar with how cheerleading is governed worldwide, so if it's uncommon for it to be classified as a gymnastic sport, I'm willing to pass it. If not, we could try something else. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 11:03, 28 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Symbol possible vote.svg I came by to try to help out with the hook, but see that the article is not ready for the main page. I tagged the lead for being too short. Many paragraphs have no cites at all, per Rule D2. The writing also seems sketchy in some places. See 2nd paragraph under history, where a topic sentence (uncited) speaks about some teams discontinuing their cheer teams, and then one example is given to prove it. No reason is given why Gymnastics Australia stopped being the governing body. Yoninah (talk) 22:34, 12 September 2018 (UTC)


 * Symbol delete vote.svg The nominator has not edited since August 26, and there are existing article issues that need to be addressed if this is to be promoted. As such, I am now marking this for closure. If the nominator returns and/or another editor adopts this nomination, then it can continue. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 03:59, 19 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I have been away from Wikipedia for an extended period. Given the difficulties finding a good hook, I support this closure outcome. Pelagic (talk) 21:57, 16 November 2018 (UTC) [Yes, I know I'm writing this after section is closed, but still feel this is the best location for a simple acknowledgement.]