Template:Did you know nominations/Cliff Cave County Park


 * The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as |this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 05:50, 12 January 2017 (UTC)

Cliff Cave County Park

 * ... that Cliff Cave has been used as a tavern, wine cellar, and a body dump?

Created by LittleT889 (talk). Self-nominated at 07:25, 21 November 2016 (UTC).


 * Symbol question.svg The article's new enough and long enough; it's a solid article, and no major problems jumped out at me (though I tagged some links as needing disambiguating). While the hook is great, I'm not completely convinced of the reliability of STLParent.com, which is used as the source of much of the hook. Perhaps you could choose some usages of the cave which are better sourced for the hook? Josh Milburn (talk) 22:34, 21 November 2016 (UTC)
 * I think the hook is a potential problem because the article is about a County Park, within which are several caves including Cliff Cave, and piping the article title should not lead to surprises. Maybe something like "... that the cave in Cliff Cave County Park has been used ..."?  EdChem (talk) 08:35, 1 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Josh Milburn, EdChem, I've just pinged LittleT889's talk page since there hasn't been any response here since the original review. LittleT889's most recent edits on Wikipedia were to the Cliff Cave County Park in the minutes immediately following this review. The tagged links were addressed, but I don't know whether the sourcing issue has been. Where does this nomination stand now? Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 06:59, 31 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Each use of the cave listed has multiple sources. Also, I'm fine with saying the "the cave in Cliff Cave County Park", although I don't think there are more than one cave there. LittleT889 (talk) 13:35, 31 December 2016 (UTC)
 * I'm not really sold on any of the sources used to claim that the cave has been used as a body dump. Adding more unreliable sources to an article doesn't really improve it! Josh Milburn (talk) 14:21, 31 December 2016 (UTC)
 * OK, we can remove that and do ALT1: ... that Cliff Cave has been used as a tavern and a wine cellar? LittleT889 (talk) 15:10, 1 January 2017 (UTC)
 * I'm happy enough with that; ? ? Josh Milburn (talk) 17:58, 1 January 2017 (UTC)
 * The link Cliff Cave leads me to expect a page on Cliff Cave, not on a park, and is a Easter Egg link. I've already suggested "... that the cave in Cliff Cave County Park has been used ..." or something like it, maybe "... that Cliff Cave in the eponymous park has been used ...".  I suspect using ALT1 as proposed will just lead to an objection in the queue stage from TRM or Fram, but a promoter can take the risk if they think it wise.   I wasn't looking into the sourcing issue and am comfortable going with Josh's views on that.  Josh, do you have any view on the Easter Egg link?  EdChem (talk) 23:02, 1 January 2017 (UTC)
 * It doesn't bother me, but if you predict that it will run into problems later, perhaps we could rephrase. Josh Milburn (talk) 23:31, 1 January 2017 (UTC)

Would you please express a view on the Easter Egg link discussed above? Thanks. EdChem (talk) 08:57, 4 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Yes, I'd prefer the link not to be an easter egg, and it's actually more accurate to say it's the cave that was used, not the park itself. The Rambling Man (talk) 09:01, 4 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Proposing ALT2s:


 * ALT2a: ... that a cave in the Cliff Cave County Park has been used as a tavern and a wine cellar?
 * ALT2b: ... that Cliff Cave in the eponymous park has been used as a tavern and a wine cellar?
 * Thoughts, and ?  EdChem (talk) 09:14, 4 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Either look good to me LittleT889 (talk) 23:20, 4 January 2017 (UTC)
 * No objections, and apologies for the delay. Josh Milburn (talk) 23:27, 11 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Symbol confirmed.svg Josh Milburn (talk) 01:40, 12 January 2017 (UTC)