Template:Did you know nominations/Clinton Romesha

Clinton Romesha

 * ... that Clinton Romesha (pictured), who will next month be awarded the Medal of Honor, joined the United States Army after deciding not to be a leader in the the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints?
 * Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Nikolaj, Copenhagen Contemporary Art Center

2x expanded and sourced (BLP) by Ed! (talk), LtNOWIS (talk), RightCowLeftCoast (talk), Nominated by  Ed! (talk) at 23:17, 12 January 2013 (UTC)


 * The following has been checked in this review by Maile
 * NOTE: The Medal of Honor ceremony takes place on Feb 11, 2013
 * QPQ not necessary
 * I added LtNOWIS who began the article on January 11, and RightCowLeftCoast who first added the information about the LDS affiliation. Ed! did most of the work on this article, even more than the 2X BLP. It was started at 424 characters of readable prose. Ed!'s expansion brought it to 4,651 characters of readable prose. But because of the newness I thought the other two should be added to the credits.
 * No copyvio found with earwig@toolserver:copyvios
 * Hook is sourced in Refs 2 and 3, and source text is the first two paragraphs under "Biography"
 * NPOV and every paragraph sourced
 * Symbol confirmed.svg GOOD 2 GO, — Maile (talk) 00:29, 13 January 2013 (UTC)
 * I've added his Army portrait. Froggerlaura  ribbit 06:08, 13 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Terrific! This will be a good DYK on that day. — Maile (talk) 16:19, 13 January 2013 (UTC)
 * If it's going to run on the day, won't the hook need to be changed along the lines of the following? Prioryman (talk) 08:24, 15 January 2013 (UTC)
 * ALT1: ... that Clinton Romesha (pictured), who has today been awarded the Medal of Honor, joined the United States Army after deciding not to be a leader in the the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints?


 * ALT1a: ... that Clinton Romesha (pictured), who today is being awarded the Medal of Honor, joined the United States Army after deciding not to be a leader in the the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints?
 * Prioryman has a good point. I'm proposing a slightly altered version of his ALT1, ALT1a: since we don't know when during the day the hook will run or the actual medal will be given, I think it's better to put it in this tense rather than in the immediate past, to allow for the hook being read before, during and after the actual ceremony. Assuming we're still at three DYK sets per day, I think this should run during the US daytime slot, which is 16:00 UTC. (If it turns out the ceremony is before 11:00am Eastern time, when the hook would be posted, we might want to reconsider the slot, but I think US daytime will get the most attention even if the ceremony is an hour before; if the ceremony will have already completed, then ALT1 might be preferable.) BlueMoonset (talk) 14:57, 15 January 2013 (UTC)
 * I personally am fine with everything both you and Prioryman have mentioned, including the alt hooks. However, I just placed a notice on the nominator's page because of the alt hooks suggested.  Do you need someone else to approve one of the alt hooks? — Maile  (talk) 22:55, 16 January 2013 (UTC)

Either hook is acceptable to me. I hadn't submitted it with the explicit intention of waiting until the day of the ceremony, but this is fine. I think ALT1a is a safe bet for any point in the day. — Ed! (talk) 01:49, 17 January 2013 (UTC)


 * Symbol question.svg While I know the reference article the hook uses states it pretty much the way the hook states it, the hook doesn't make any sense as no one "decides" to be a leader in the LDS Church. They are called to various lay positions within their local unit by their local bishop or another church leader. Just because his father was a leader (which could be anything from a Sunday school teacher to a bishop or a stake president) in his local unit doesn't mean that he would have ever been called on by his leaders to be one, too. Whoever wrote the Stars & Stripes article didn't have a clue about how the LDS Church works. Perhaps something like this:
 * ALT1b: ... that Clinton Romesha (pictured), who has today been awarded the Medal of Honor, joined the United States Army after deciding not to be a missionary for the the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints?
 * This makes more sense and is still accurate as it removes the confusing part and also uses information from the same reference article. ··· 日本穣 ? · 投稿  · Talk to Nihonjoe ·  Join WP Japan ! 22:59, 17 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Symbol confirmed.svg I'm OK with Alt1b.  And thank you for catching that. — Maile  (talk) 23:03, 17 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Symbol question.svg Same objection to ALT1b as to ALT1: we don't know when on the day the hook will be run (probably starting before and ending after the actual award), so "has today" remains problematic. (I've struck all the pre-ALT1b hooks as being problematic due to the "next month" and "leader" wording.) Here's the same variant rewording to take care of that 1b issue:
 * ALT1c: ... that Clinton Romesha (pictured), who today is being awarded the Medal of Honor, joined the United States Army after deciding not to be a missionary for the the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints? —BlueMoonset (talk) 00:30, 18 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Alt1c is OK with me, as the original reviewer. I trust your expertise on this one BlueMoonset. — Maile  (talk) 00:34, 18 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Agreed, I'm OK with 1c. — Ed! (talk) 00:54, 18 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Symbol confirmed.svg I'm fine with 1c. ··· 日本穣 ? · 投稿  · Talk to Nihonjoe ·  Join WP Japan ! 06:28, 18 January 2013 (UTC)