Template:Did you know nominations/Coexist (image)


 * The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as |this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by 4meter4 (talk) 15:29, 28 November 2015 (UTC)

Coexist (image)

 * ... that the Coexist symbol that U2 used in the Vertigo Tour (pictured) started life as a 3 x outdoor poster in a juried art exhibition in Jerusalem?


 * Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/British Committee of the Indian National Congress plus some historical reviews (see below) This line added at 02:31, 28 November 2015 (UTC), well into the review process for this nomination. davidwr/ (talk)/(contribs)


 * ALT1:... that the Coexist symbol used on bumper stickers started life as a 3 x outdoor poster in a juried art exhibition in Jerusalem?
 * ALT2:... that at least three different individuals and groups claimed legal rights to the Coexist symbol used on bumper stickers?
 * ALT3:... that at least three different individuals and groups claimed legal rights to the Coexist symbol that U2 used in the Vertigo Tour?
 * ALT4:... that User:In ictu oculi created the article Coexist (bumper sticker) when User:Davidwr challenged other editors to do it in a "requested move" discussion in which editors weren't sure what the primary topic for Coexist is? (wiki-humor - don't use this as the hook)

Created by In ictu oculi (talk), Dohn joe (talk), and Davidwr (talk). Nominated by Davidwr (talk) at 05:22, 23 October 2015 (UTC).


 * Nominator's comment regarding the image: Although the image's copyright status hasn't been challenged on the Commons, back in 2005 the original designer and the contest sponsor claimed copyright on the original "[Crescent]oe[Star of David]is[Cross]" design and there is good reason to think the original image was not public domain in its country of origin (Poland) and some reason to think it may qualify for a US copyright. Even without a US copyright, the country-of-origin copyright would put derivative works such the image of the U2 concert in which the symbol dominates the image under a copyright cloud.  If the "hook" image needs to be unambiguously "free" then I have no objection to using a different image as the hook.  See also: Talk:Coexist (image), the reference embedded in that comment, and the discussion at Commons:Commons:Deletion requests/File:Coexist-bumpersticker.jpg, which I opened back on October 18.  davidwr/  (talk)/(contribs)  14:18, 23 October 2015 (UTC)


 * Symbol redirect vote 4.svg Full review needed. BlueMoonset (talk) 03:07, 19 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Symbol question.svg size and age ok. written neutrally. Earwig's copyvio negative. None of the hooks are riveting, but first hook I think is best. and is reffed and true to source. QPQ needs doing. Also, can anyone update legal section? Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 09:32, 19 November 2015 (UTC)
 * QPQ not needed, as the nominator has less than five DYK credits. sst✈discuss 09:22, 20 November 2015 (UTC)
 * QPQ is needed. sst✈, that tool is not always accurate. Looking back through Davidwr's talk-page archives, I find two DYK credits in 2008, two in 2009, and one in 2013, for a total of five. (There was a third 2008 credit, but as Davidwr disclaims it, I didn't count it.) So Davidwr will have to provide a QPQ review, unless someone else wants to donate one to the cause. BlueMoonset (talk) 00:32, 22 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Does past work count for quid-pro-quo? Loyal B. Stearns, Lakshmikanthan Murder Case, and Nighthawks (TV series) come to mind. Around the time I made this nomination I gave some input to Template:Did you know nominations/Shelby Gem Factory but real life caught up with me and other editors finished the job.  If you still need a QPQ I should be able to get something either tomorrow or over Thanksgiving weekend.
 * By the way, to find these I had to dig through my contribution history in the "Template:" and "Template talk:" namespaces and look for page names that had "Did you know" in them. There are a few others I didn't mention where I had input but didn't make the final call.  I think there may have been an additional DYN nominated by me in addition to those mentioned by, but it's possible that I wasn't "credited" with it at the time.  It's really not all that important - what is important is that I have been busy with other things on- and off-Wiki and I can't guarantee a QPQ in the next few days. davidwr/  (talk)/(contribs)  03:40, 22 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Very old QPQ accepted. Symbol confirmed.svg per review by Casliber.sst✈(discuss) 14:23, 22 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Symbol question.svg To answer Davidwr's question, past work on articles doesn't count, but complete DYK reviews do, since quid pro quo refers to doing a DYK review to another nomination just as your nomination is being reviewed by someone else. I would like to know whether Cas Liber feels the issues he raised (the legal section in particular) were addressed to his satisfaction. Finally, the image has not been reviewed, and must be before the nomination can be approved; I've just trimmed the caption. BlueMoonset (talk) 16:00, 22 November 2015 (UTC)
 * I am not picky one way or the other about the image. It would be nice to use this image but if there is a better/easier-to-pass-DYN-review image for the "grouping" this goes into then go with that other image rather than this one (in other words, don't let procedural delays surrounding this image delay things too long).  The image survived a deletion discussion in Deletion requests/U2 concert images but I'm not sure if it would survive another deletion discussion today - it would depend on whether the participants considered the "home country" of the "coexist" part of the image to be Mexico (where the photo was taken) or Poland (where the "coexist" image was created), and whether the participants believed there was a valid Polish copyright to the "coexist" symbol.  davidwr/  (talk)/(contribs)  21:55, 22 November 2015 (UTC)
 * My interpretation is there is enough else going on in the image (one of the most highly acclaimed live rock acts in the world performing) to warrant free use and reckon we keep it. I think 5 DYKs is 5 DYKs and hence a QPQ is required. sorry, missed above. QPQ accepted. And surely we can just check the legal section please? It might be that nothing has happened. If a serach is negative then maybe removing the tag and documenting on the talk page. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 23:40, 22 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Cas Liber, not to be a wet blanket, but I'm not quite sure which QPQ is being accepted. If it's Template:Did you know nominations/Shelby Gem Factory, I honestly don't think it qualifies, since the comments were far from a complete review and the nomination had to be taken over by other reviewers. Your mileage may vary, of course. BlueMoonset (talk) 03:32, 23 November 2015 (UTC)
 * you're correct, if you could do another that would be great. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 03:44, 23 November 2015 (UTC)

As I said above, unless I find time sooner, this won't happen until next weekend. davidwr/ (talk)/(contribs)  03:55, 23 November 2015 (UTC)
 * That's fine. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 04:47, 23 November 2015 (UTC)


 * Comment. The sections "Notable variations" and "Variations" consist of original research. You should add respective reliable sources backing up the ideas, or remove them. ©   Tb hotch ™ (en-2.5). 00:28, 24 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Good point regarding "notable" variations - the claim of "notability" is probably "OR" on my part. I've merged the two sections and removed the word "notable" from the visible text.  The 4 listed variations are all cited as to their existence (the Spanish-language U2 version is cited elsewhere in the article). davidwr/  (talk)/(contribs)  00:59, 24 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Symbol redirect vote 4.svg WP:QPQ completed, see Did you know nominations/British Committee of the Indian National Congress, which is ready to go except for the lack of a QPQ (oh, the irony!).  Is the image needs a re-review and it fails, just do the submission without the image. davidwr/  (talk)/(contribs)  00:13, 27 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Cas Liber, please continue the review at your convenience. Many thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 04:45, 28 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Symbol confirmed.svg ok good to go. A quick look online suggests everyone forgot about the legal dispute after 2005...or just regurgitated old stories. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 04:57, 28 November 2015 (UTC)