Template:Did you know nominations/Country Joe and the Fish


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The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 13:53, 27 October 2015 (UTC)

Country Joe and the Fish

 * ... that Country Joe and the Fish (pictured) was among the influential groups centered in the San Francisco music scene during the mid to late-1960s?


 * Reviewed: Back to Stone

Improved to Good Article status by TheGracefulSlick (talk). Nominated by SSTflyer (talk) at 08:43, 24 September 2015 (UTC).


 * Symbol question.svg Find another hook. Technically, "among" means they were standing around at a festival where other bands appeared.  And refers to the unsourced sentence While the band waited to record their debut album, they were present at the Human Be-In, along with other influential San Francisco musical acts including Jefferson Airplane, Big Brother and the Holding Company, and Quicksilver Messenger Service. And even there, since they had not even yet recorded an album, "influential" is a POV if meant to refer to Country Joe.  The lone source at the end of that paragraph does not mention influence, and is mostly Country Joe looking back at the 1960s.  The article does not give any examples of their influence, but focuses on their brief recording and performing career. — Maile  (talk) 21:02, 24 September 2015 (UTC)

ALT2: ... that Country Joe and the Fish (pictured) performed "The Fish Cheer" as "The Fuck Cheer" in New York City in 1968? --sstflyer 01:55, 26 September 2015 (UTC)
 * ALT1: ... that Country Joe and the Fish (pictured) was initially formed with only Country Joe and The Fish?
 * Note: ALT1 is best used with the image. sstflyer 05:47, 1 October 2015 (UTC)
 * per your comment on my talk page. I was making a comment above, not doing a review.  Sorry for the confusion, but you are more than welcome to do a review of this nomination. — Maile  (talk) 12:04, 17 October 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for clarifying, Maile66. Right then, here we go, SSTflyer: Excellent choice of nominations, SSTflyer (and excellent work on bringing the article up to GA by TheGracefulSlick). Once the few issues mentioned above are addressed this will be good to go. — GrammarFascist  contribs talk 14:59, 17 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Article was nominated within a week of its promotion to GA. It is hence more than long enough and within policy, particularly as to neutrality, use of inline citations, and (based on 7 spot checks) avoidance of close paraphrasing or other copyright issues. However:
 * I'd like to see a citation for the sentence "The EP fulfilled the band's ambitions to incorporate electric instruments into their music, effectively melding the instrumentals and pioneering an early template for the musical subgenre of acid rock."
 * Citation would also be desirable for "All the while, the group looked to capitalize on the momentum from Woodstock and their appearance in the film, Zachariah, by releasing their fifth album, CJ Fish, in May 1970."
 * The formatting of the citations should be standardized, particularly as some of the works cited, e.g. The Independent, are not in italics as they should be. (This does not count against the DYK review.)
 * I agree that the original hook was not sourced as well as it should have been. ALT1 and ALT2 are both strong hooks, short enough and interesting enough. I also think the image works equally well with either ALT. However:
 * Since "The Fish" is Barry Melton's nickname, it should be in quotation marks in the hook.
 * The sentence "The first line-up of Country Joe and the Fish formed in mid-1965, when Country Joe McDonald (vocals, acoustic guitar) and Barry "The Fish" Melton (lead guitar, vocals) came together as a duo", which substantiates ALT1, is unreferenced. I suspect the reference at the end of the following sentence is meant to cover it, and that's fine by normal Wikipedia standards, but for DYK the hook's citation must come no later than the end of the statement asserting the hook fact(s). Should be easily fixed.
 * The sentence "The song met unprecedented exposure among the band's young audience after a performance at the Schaefer Music Festival in New York City, in the summer of 1968", which substantiates ALT2, is also unreferenced. I suspect that, again, the reference at the end of the following sentence is meant to cover it. Should similarly be easily fixed.
 * QPQ is done and image appears to be properly in the public domain.
 * SSTflyer, just a reminder that there are outstanding issues here. It's been a week since my review. — GrammarFascist  contribs talk 22:18, 24 October 2015 (UTC)
 * , I think. sst✈ 14:37, 25 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Symbol voting keep.svg Hi, sst. There were actually a couple of other sentences listed further up that I think should be referenced, for full compliance with general WP policies; but overall it's a well-referenced article, and the hook facts are now cited, so I'd rather AGF the others than be "that guy". Thanks for responding promptly, and for nominating the aricle in the first place. — GrammarFascist  contribs talk 17:58, 25 October 2015 (UTC)