Template:Did you know nominations/Crime in North Korea and South Korea

Crime in North Korea, Crime in South Korea

 * ... that prostitution is illegal, but nevertheless present, in both North Korea (policeman pictured) and South Korea?
 * Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Flag of Saint Kitts and Nevis (1st review) and Template:Did you know nominations/Lina Ron (2nd review)

Created by Bonkers The Clown (talk). Self nominated at 07:30, 11 June 2013 (UTC).
 * Prostitution, legal or not, is everywhere. Is there a better hook?  Pumpkin Sky   talk  23:06, 13 June 2013 (UTC)




 * ALT1 ... that North Korea is really corrupt, while South Korea is better? ☯ Bonkers The Clown  \(^_^)/  Nonsensical Babble  ☯ 04:18, 14 June 2013 (UTC)
 * I think really is a WP:WEASEL word.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 18:09, 8 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Could you please suggest a less weaselly one then? Cheers, ☯ Bonkers The Clown  \(^_^)/  Nonsensical Babble  ☯ 11:53, 9 July 2013 (UTC)


 * A less weaselly version might be:
 * ALT2 ... that corruption in North Korea is more prevelant that it is in South Korea?
 * Though I am not sure this is really a surprising / interesting hook... EdChem (talk) 04:40, 14 July 2013 (UTC)
 * I know right. Well, what harm could possibly occur if we weasel the North? Lol. ☯ Bonkers The Clown  \(^_^)/  Nonsensical Babble  ☯ 04:48, 14 July 2013 (UTC)
 * But policy is policy, ALT2 then. ☯ Bonkers The Clown  \(^_^)/  Nonsensical Babble  ☯ 04:48, 14 July 2013 (UTC)
 * I don't think that "corruption in North Korea" should link to Crime in North Korea when Corruption in North Korea exists as a separate article. And it would be better if the hook fact was a piece of information unique to the bolded articles, rather than something copied from elsewhere on Wikipedia. I can't come up with anything myself, though... There isn't really much that links these two articles, other than geographical proximity. Would it be an option to create two separate hooks, instead of combining them? DoctorKubla (talk) 14:19, 21 July 2013 (UTC)
 * It could work... Do I have to split this nom page or something? ☯ Bonkers The Clown  \(^_^)/  Nonsensical Babble  ☯ 14:23, 21 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Why don't you propose both hooks here. We may end up doing a multi in the end anyways.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 15:13, 21 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Alright then. For South Korea: ALT3a ... that the sex industry of South Korea generates about 1.6% of the country's gross domestic product? For North: ALT3b ... that cannibalism is, according to rumours, rife in North Korea? ☯ Bonkers The Clown  \(^_^)/  Nonsensical Babble  ☯ 10:31, 22 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Why not ALT4 ... that while 1.6% of the South Korea's gross domestic product comes from its sex industry, cannibalism is rumored to be rife in North Korea? --TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 11:12, 22 July 2013 (UTC)
 * or ALT4a ... that while 1.6% of the South Korea's gross domestic product comes from its sex industry, in North Korea, cannibalism is rumored to be rife? --TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 11:13, 22 July 2013 (UTC)
 * But they don't really seem to share a link... ☯ Bonkers The Clown  \(^_^)/  Nonsensical Babble  ☯ 11:32, 22 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Is there a rule about sharing a link? If so, must it be a wikilink?--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 13:58, 22 July 2013 (UTC)
 * I meant there's no distinct similarity or close difference between sex and cannibalism, so the usage of "while" seems wrong... ☯ Bonkers The Clown  \(^_^)/  Nonsensical Babble  ☯ 11:23, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

I've added some more info to both articles, so how about the following hooks: DoctorKubla (talk) 21:07, 22 July 2013 (UTC)
 * ALT5a ... that South Korea's crime rate dropped by 21% during the first ten days of the 2002 World Cup?
 * ALT5b ... that the theft of rice or potatoes is considered a political crime in North Korea?
 * There is a link between North and South Korea. Thus, articles about crime in both are linked. That is sufficient for a conjoined multi-hook, IMO.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 12:17, 23 July 2013 (UTC)


 * Symbol redirect vote 4.svg Looking for a full DYK review of the two articles that considers the newly proposed separate hooks, one for each article. There is no requirement that the two articles appear in the same hook, and indeed the joint hooks proposed thus far have all been lacking in one way or another. While I appreciate the effort to combine the articles into a single hook, absent an interesting joint hook, we now have two potentially interesting separate hooks, and should go forward with them. Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 03:58, 12 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Symbol confirmed.svg The two articles pass as separate hooks.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/WP:FOUR/WP:CHICAGO/WP:WAWARD) 04:45, 12 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Symbol question.svg Tony, may I ask what you reviewed? If you want credit for these reviews, you ought to specify what you checked (length, size, hook facts in article and cited, close paraphrase check, etc.) for each. Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 05:49, 12 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Symbol confirmed.svg both articles were created and nominated on June 11. Both are long enough and the hook is supported by inline citations in each article. The hooks are sufficiently interesting and the articles seem to adhere to policy.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/WP:FOUR/WP:CHICAGO/WP:WAWARD) 15:45, 12 August 2013 (UTC)
 * N.B. I have only approved ALT5a and ALT5b.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/WP:FOUR/WP:CHICAGO/WP:WAWARD) 18:05, 12 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Have struck ALT3a, since it has not been approved. Only ALT5a and ALT5b should be unstruck and available for separate promotion. BlueMoonset (talk) 18:34, 12 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Note to potential promoters: these are separate hooks for separate articles. Please promote them one at a time (not in the same prep set); do not fill in the DYKsubpage template unless you are promoting the second of these articles/hooks: please note below when you promote the first hook so no one attempts to promote the same hook twice. Thank you! BlueMoonset (talk) 18:34, 12 August 2013 (UTC)
 * ALT5b promoted (Hook for Crime in North Korea). As a result, the hook has been struck and the credits information (DYKmake template) has been removed from this nomination. --Allen3 talk 22:15, 12 August 2013 (UTC)