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The result was: promoted by North America1000 09:15, 29 April 2016 (UTC)

Cruijffiaans

 * ... that Cruijffiaans, the language of Dutch soccer coach Johan Cruyff (1947-2016), hovers between pithy aphorism and "endless monologue", "between the brilliant and the banal"?
 * ALT1:... that "If I wanted you to understand it, I'd explain it better" is a favorite expression in Cruijffiaans, the idiolect of Dutch soccer coach Johan Cruyff?


 * Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Pink slime.

Created by Drmies (talk). Self-nominated at 16:01, 26 March 2016 (UTC).


 * 16px New enough and long enough. I have to admit that when I first read the page I thought it was a joke, but the Onze Taal article supports some academic acceptance for this as a "language" (perhaps "dialect" would be a better English equivalent?). Photo license looks fine. The information from the hook is accurately cited. I used Google translate to check what other sources I could.
 * The hook is a bit long and it would be nice if it included an example of Cruijffiaans. I've suggested an alternate hook (is that the right place to put it?). There's also a supplementary rule that parentheses should be avoided in the hook, so Cruyff's life dates can be excluded if the first hook is used. Rachel Helps (BYU) (talk) 19:29, 27 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Symbol redirect vote 4.svg  per Rule H2, you cannot approve your own hook. Could another reviewer take a look at ALT1? Yoninah (talk) 22:50, 27 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Symbol question.svg Is it really correct to refer to this as a language if it's only spoken by a single person? If it's just him, I suppose it would be an idiolect though I'm interested what the Dutch sources say. I can't see its entirety so I could be wrong but I find too incidental a mention for the hook; hook 1 not approved, alt1 pending.  Intelligent  sium  00:53, 28 April 2016 (UTC)
 * User:Intelligentsium, OK, "language"--that's a fair point, I suppose. Funny thing is, one source says he doesn't speak ABN, but doesn't say what he does speak. Most sources mention "Cruijffiaanse uitspraken", "Cruijffian sayings" or something like that. It's not not a language in the Wittgensteinian sense, since his may well be a language spoken by one, but it's understood by many. Sources also call it a way of speaking, a usage, etc. So I don't really care if you want to remove the term "language" and rephrase it. I tweaked the article a bit. I do like ALT1, sure--and that this was a saying of his is found all over--voila. You can get it in Delft blue as well. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 03:50, 28 April 2016 (UTC)
 * I'm wondering if the best English translation might not be "Cruijffisms", by analogy to "Bushism" and "Yogiism" - of course we can't coin that term here on Wikipedia if it hasn't been used elsewhere. Would you be opposed to changing "language" in alt 1 to "idiolect"? Intelligent  sium  15:02, 28 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Already done, User:Intelligentsium--thanks. Drmies (talk) 17:02, 28 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Symbol voting keep.svg ALT1 Hook, length, and date verified. Dutch sources OK. Intelligent  sium  19:31, 28 April 2016 (UTC)
 * N.b. ALT1 was promoted. North America1000 09:12, 29 April 2016 (UTC)