Template:Did you know nominations/Dan III of Wallachia


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The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 05:04, 29 October 2016 (UTC)

Dan III of Wallachia

 * ... that Dan III of Wallachia was forced to dig his own grave by Vlad the Impaler, Voivode of Wallachia?

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 * Reviewed: Aluchin (volcano)

Created by Borsoka (talk). Self-nominated at 17:25, 27 September 2016 (UTC).

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 * &#x2713; This article is new and was created on 04:18, 26 September 2016 (UTC)
 * &#x2713; This article meets the DYK criteria at 4269 characters
 * &#x2713; All paragraphs in this article have at least one citation
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 * &#x2713; The hook ALT0 is an appropriate length at 195 characters
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 * Symbol confirmed.svg New enough, long enough, hook is sourced. No close paraphrasing or neutrality detected. Good to go. This is a really well written article. KAVEBEAR (talk) 09:01, 28 September 2016 (UTC)


 * This nomination is fully verified, but I have returned it from q2 as it's been suggested it would make a good hook for Halloween, presumably with the name "Dracula" substituted for "Vlad the Impaler". Gatoclass (talk) 15:09, 5 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your suggestion. It is a good idea, but I would not change Vlad's sobriquet. Borsoka (talk) 01:38, 6 October 2016 (UTC)


 * Symbol question.svg Borsoka, a couple of things about the hook: first, since he's always called "Vlad Dracula" in the article, and never "Vlad the Impaler", I think the hook needs to use "Vlad Dracula" here, which would seem to be desirable anyway in a Halloween hook. Second, nowhere does the article give Vlad's title as "Voivode of Wallachia". The title needs to be in this article and sourced. BlueMoonset (talk) 20:33, 7 October 2016 (UTC)
 * I suggest removing the wordy title and just saying:
 * ALT1: ... that Dracula forced Dan III of Wallachia to dig his own grave? Yoninah (talk) 21:31, 8 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your remarks. What about the below hook? Borsoka (talk) 07:24, 9 October 2016 (UTC)
 * ALT2: ... that Vlad Dracula forced Dan III of Wallachia to dig his own grave?
 * ALT2 is an improvement, and I have accordingly struck the original hook. I've also struck Yoninah's ALT1 that it was based on, since it's clear you don't want the plain "Dracula" used, and we typically give considerable deference to nominators with regard to their own hooks, provided they are interesting and well sourced. I do wonder why, if "dig his own grave" is in quotes in the article, it is not in quotes here; unfortunately, I cannot check references 20 and 23 directly, though it is also in 25, which is itself a blockquote. (The problem with using quotes in the hook, of course, is that people might think it wasn't a literal gravedigging; the blockquote makes it clear that Dan III actually dug a grave before being beheaded and buried in the hole he'd dug.) Yoninah, any thoughts? Would adding the word "literally" before quoting the words help/work? BlueMoonset (talk) 18:22, 9 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Personally, I think "dig his own grave" should not be in quotes in the article or in the hook per WP:LIMITED. Yoninah (talk) 21:41, 9 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Symbol redirect vote 4.svg Could another reviewer sign off on ALT2? Yoninah (talk) 21:09, 25 October 2016 (UTC)