Template:Did you know nominations/Dona Nelson


 * The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as |this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:41, 21 March 2016 (UTC)

Dona Nelson

 * ... that Roberta Smith of the New York Times called Dona Nelson "one of the best artists working today"?


 * Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Tortotubus
 * Comment: DYK for article created at last week's ArtAndFeminism edit-a-thon. Article could use more work, to be sure, but meets all basic policy and DYK requirements. The main reason I'm nominating this one is because of the very obvious DYK hook (one of the most respected art critics calling her "one of the best artists working today" is a pretty big deal). It's in the article and cited.

Created by UffsWaitingForYou (talk) and Rhododendrites (talk). Nominated by Rhododendrites (talk) at 20:07, 13 March 2016 (UTC).


 * Symbol question.svg The article is new, posted on the 7th day beating the deadline with 2 hours to spare. Long enough. No image, no worries about license issues. Earwig's copyvio detector: violation unlikely. A neutral BLP, with sources. The article is interesting. QPQ done. Verified the hook in NYT article., [1] Can we make the hook more hooky, and understandable to the global readers who either don't read NYT or don't  know Roberta Smith? for example, why not add what makes Dona Nelson's work different and interesting? mention her free standing two-sided paintings? [2] I would prefer a hook that leads with Dona Nelson, the article of interest here. Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 17:52, 16 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks for reviewing. That I found the "one of the best artists working today" line a ready-made hooky DYK hook is why I nominated it :) I take your point regarding global readership. I've encountered that question before at DYK and my understanding is that it's not vital for the supporting elements in a sentence to be internationally known as long as the gist of the sentence comes through and the other terms are linked. In other words, "one of the best artists working today" modifying the subject of the DYK is the main idea, regardless of who said it. For those who know who Smith/NYT are, they know why it's a big deal; for those who say "says who?", they can click and find out. (I may be wrong about this, though -- it's based on observed discussions rather than any concrete guideline). Do you think it would help to precede Smith's name with "art critic" or something along those lines? I don't want to shift too much of the sentence to be about Smith, but maybe? Focusing on her two-sided work for the hook is an idea, but I personally find it less broadly attention-getting/hooky. It also might set people up for disappointment because we don't have a picture of the work :/ &mdash; Rhododendrites talk \\ 20:06, 16 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Ah, sorry, didn't respond to [2]. I tend to agree. When I wrote this one I couldn't think of an easily way to reword it without passive voice. Maybe passive voice isn't a big deal, though? In which case... &mdash; Rhododendrites talk \\ 20:15, 16 March 2016 (UTC)
 * ALT1: ...that Dona Nelson was called "one of the best artists working today" by New York Times art critic Roberta Smith?
 * Or here's an attempt to combine (two actually, rearranged). It's a bit wordy, though (but under 200chars). &mdash; Rhododendrites talk \\ 20:15, 16 March 2016 (UTC)
 * ALT2: ...that Dona Nelson, "one of the best artists working today" according to New York Times art critic Roberta Smith, is known for her two-sided paintings?
 * ALT3: ...that Dona Nelson, known for her two-sided paintings, was called "one of the best artists working today" by New York Times art critic Roberta Smith?


 * Symbol confirmed.svg. I favor ALT3. @Rhododendrites, @UffsWaitingForYou: Someday, perhaps, one of you or someone will update Double-sided painting article stub. Picasso's La Gommeuse is an example, Leonardo's Ginevra de' Benci is another, and there are more notable examples. Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 22:05, 16 March 2016 (UTC)