Template:Did you know nominations/Elizabeth Handley-Seymour


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The result was: promoted by Victuallers (talk) 17:38, 27 May 2015 (UTC)

Elizabeth Handley-Seymour

 * ... that Elizabeth Handley-Seymour created Queen Elizabeth's 1937 Coronation dress (pictured) and her 1923 wedding dress?


 * ALT1:... that Elizabeth Handley-Seymour costumes (pictured) for Eliza Doolittle in the 1914 UK debut of Pygmalion were called "horrible" and "dramatically nonsensical" by the author, George Bernard Shaw?
 * Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Charlotte Caroline Richardson
 * Comment: I realise this JUST misses the 7 day mark, but hopefully worth some leeway? Was hoping another editor would be able to check it over before I nominated, but I don't think she had a chance.

Created by Mabalu (talk). Self-nominated at 10:00, 16 April 2015 (UTC).


 * Comment: File:Mrs Patrick Campbell as Eliza Doolittle.png is the image for the second hook. It doesn't look too bad at the thumbnail size either. I know the proposed image is actually a cropped version of the image in the article, which I think ought to be permissible...
 * Comment - Maybe the first hook could go up on 12th May as the Coronation took place that day in 1937? Frustratingly I've just realised I NARROWLY missed the 101st anniversary of the UK premiere of Pygmalion (11 April!) for the second hook! Mabalu (talk) 10:08, 16 April 2015 (UTC)


 * Any ideas how to modify the hook so that readers aren't confused into thinking that the current queen was inaugurated in 1937 (and, trust me, plenty of readers will be so confused). EEng (talk) 04:52, 17 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Hmm. Maybe:
 * ALT2:... that Elizabeth Handley-Seymour created Queen Elizabeth The Queen Mother's 1937 Coronation dress (pictured) and her 1923 wedding dress?

Mabalu (talk) 09:25, 17 April 2015 (UTC)
 * The problem is that she wasn't the QM at the time, so I don't know what to say. EEng (talk) 12:41, 17 April 2015 (UTC)
 * I did ponder that too. It's an article I am very pleased with so I really want it to have credit. I think anyone who clicks through, if they hadn't realised already, will swiftly realise it's not THAT Queen Elizabeth - especially as it's specified in the lede as the 1937 Coronation, and not the 1953 one. Mabalu (talk) 14:04, 17 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Yeah, but I'm still interested in seeing if anyone has a clever way of indicating her shifting title succinctly. EEng (talk) 14:18, 17 April 2015 (UTC)


 * Anyone? Mabalu (talk) 09:51, 5 May 2015 (UTC)
 * I'm sure User:DrKiernan could help here. Martinevans123 (talk) 14:39, 9 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Sounds like a job for . EEng (talk) 14:32, 9 May 2015 (UTC)
 * I'm sure User:DrKiernan could help here. (He's an expert in royal stuff, unlike me). Martinevans123 (talk) 14:39, 9 May 2015 (UTC)
 * I think we're forced to use "Queen Elizabeth The Queen Mother" because any alternative is likely to be either confusing or distracting. In 1923, she had two names: Elizabeth Bowes-Lyon before the wedding and the Duchess of York after it. In 1937, she was Queen Elizabeth, but she had become that in 1936. DrKiernan (talk) 15:01, 9 May 2015 (UTC)
 * on the principle that QEtheQM is the title most readers are familiar with, as well as her title at death, I think that's the right choice. Thanks to you an to ME123. EEng (talk) 06:38, 10 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Thank you from me too. Mabalu (talk) 13:57, 13 May 2015 (UTC)


 * Symbol redirect vote 4.svg Full review needed, including thoughts on an ALT2 revision. BlueMoonset (talk) 13:34, 9 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Symbol confirmed.svg OK, I'll take this on. As noted above, the article just missed the 7 day mark but I'm not inclined to be strict about that. Obviously long enough and both well-written and reliably sourced. I think ALT2 is the best that can be done given the issue of the changing titles, and it has the advantage of familiarity for readers even if it is a little anachronistic if taken literally. The hook fact is a good one and is reliably sourced. Prioryman (talk) 07:03, 26 May 2015 (UTC)