Template:Did you know nominations/Empire (2015 TV series)


 * The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as |this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by  Rcsprinter123    (jaw)  @ 10:53, 29 January 2015 (UTC)

Empire (2015 TV series)

 * ... that Empire marks the television directorial debut for Academy Award–nominated director Lee Daniels?
 * Reviewed: Reviewed: 6th of 7 QPQs against Template:Did you know nominations/Tootie Perry.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 04:39, 28 October 2014 (UTC)

5x expanded by TonyTheTiger (talk). Self nominated at 04:39, 28 October 2014 (UTC).


 * Symbol confirmed.svg Based on this version of the article on 24 October and the current one, this article has been expanded from 347 chars to 3330 chars, so meets the expansion requirements. The fact in the hook is appropriately sourced to The Hollywood Reporter. Article appears to be free from copyvio, is neutral, and is appropriately referenced (the Premise section does not require references). Symbol confirmed.svg Good to go. Thine Antique Pen (talk) 22:54, 10 November 2014 (UTC)


 * Can I make this a Did_you_know. The show is suppose to debut in January. It would be nice if it went on the main page then.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 23:07, 10 November 2014 (UTC)
 * I think that'd be a nice idea, but don't know the processes involved. If you wish to, I would have no problems. Thine Antique Pen (talk) 23:20, 10 November 2014 (UTC)
 * We can't do anything further until we know the exact date. Currently, sources just say January.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 03:31, 11 November 2014 (UTC)
 * This show will premiere on January 7 at 9PM ET, which is January 8 at 03:00 (UTC). I will move this to a January 8 date request.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 12:12, 20 November 2014 (UTC)
 * According to the rules enumrated in the date section of T:TDYK, this article is not eligible for a date request until November 27. So it must remain here. I hope no one promotes it to the main page before then, but it remains eligible for immediate promotion until it can be date requested.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 12:21, 20 November 2014 (UTC)


 * TonyTheTiger, it's not eligible for a special occasion date request of January 7 regardless. The section says that the nomination should be made between five days and six weeks of the date, which is clearly not the case, and even if we stretch the rule to allow it if it was approved within six weeks of the date, it's still not eligible, and won't be no matter how long it needs to wait for promotion. BlueMoonset (talk) 06:11, 26 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks for pinging me.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 06:52, 26 November 2014 (UTC)


 * Symbol question.svg You're welcome. However, I don't understand why the hook was approved, since the words "Academy Award" don't appear anywhere in the article. If you wish to include the fact that Daniels was an Academy Award nominee for directing in the hook, then that same fact must be present in the article. BlueMoonset (talk) 03:19, 28 November 2014 (UTC)


 * Fixed.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 02:55, 30 November 2014 (UTC)


 * Not quite. You've added the Academy Award fact, but not sourced it (his Academy Award isn't mentioned in the article, though Gabourey's is). Please add a new source for that (you still need the existing source to support that it's his directorial debut on television). Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 19:29, 7 December 2014 (UTC)
 * , Ref added. Is this still ineligible for the date request.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 01:03, 14 December 2014 (UTC)

TonyTheTiger, thanks for adding the ref. However, the entire Premise section has been removed by another editor as a copyvio (it was added by an IP on October 24). At this point, the article no longer qualifies as a 5x expansion; 5x of 347 is 1735 prose characters, and the article is only 1552 prose characters (down from 1613 after I deleted an unnecessary sentence). I've read the article as it stands now, and the Casting section seems to be making claims about when someone was cast that just aren't backed up by the sourcing. For example, you write that Sidibe, Byers and Gealey were cast on March 10, while all the article says is that "The Hollywood Reporter has learned". The actual casting could have been days or weeks earlier. It certainly seems that way for Gray and Yoa, who, by their placement in the article, appear to be old news, and not part of the "scoop". I also wonder why the article lede says Sidibe "stars" in the show, when she's a recurring character. At best, that means she'll be a special guest star, but guest stars aren't the same. BlueMoonset (talk) 16:50, 27 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Tomorrow is a travel day so give me a few days to look at this.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 08:40, 28 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Now 1905.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 04:48, 30 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Symbol redirect vote 4.svg Article has been expanded. New review requested. Fuebaey (talk) 13:47, 5 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Symbol question.svg Hook has previously been accepted. Given that the show has now aired, various editors have started adding to it, and 5x expansion is certainly no longer an issue. Recent additions are appropriately sourced. One minor issue is that the lead contains information that isn't contained in the body ("based on The Lion in Winter"); as such, the lead needs to have a citation, too. Better still, these details should be added to the body and cited there.  Schwede 66  04:27, 10 January 2015 (UTC)


 * TonyTheTiger, it's been over a week. Are you planning on addressing Schwede66's citation issue soon? BlueMoonset (talk) 23:31, 18 January 2015 (UTC)
 * I have taken a stab at this issue.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 19:46, 20 January 2015 (UTC)


 * needs to see this review, because he is whining about putting content in the main body that is in the LEAD. I will get to this within 48 hours, if not sooner.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 02:47, 19 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Not that I got the ping but I don't see how an unverified statement is the same as moving one ref from one position to another. Feel free to respond on my talk page if you still have issues with another nom. Fuebaey (talk) 00:46, 21 January 2015 (UTC)

Responding to TonyTheTiger a couple of lines above, it's good to go now.  Schwede 66  07:58, 21 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Can I request that this be run at a time when the show is on the air.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 21:46, 21 January 2015 (UTC)


 * No, I don't think so. That's hardly a "special occasion" for a weekly television show. BlueMoonset (talk) 23:03, 21 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Don't be such a spoilsport, BlueMoonset. I'm sure that with a bit of willingness, this could be placed into the right queue. Next episode screens on 28 January (or January, 28 for my American friends).  Schwede 66  23:34, 21 January 2015 (UTC)


 * If we've gotten to the point that a "special occasion" is merely the airing of an episode, then I think the idea has jumped the shark. If you and Tony insist, however, I'm happy to raise the question at WT:DYK to see whether people agree this is a special enough circumstance. BlueMoonset (talk) 03:55, 22 January 2015 (UTC)


 * I for one am not insisting on anything. I was merely thinking that if TonyTheTiger as a good old regular who has done a lot of DYK work has a special request, why not show some flexibility? Ok, it can be a slippery slope in terms of precedence setting. But for example, it could happen that the editors putting together the queues are letting this one sit here until the next episode has sneaked up and the hook gets promoted just at the right time without ever having made it into the special occasions holding area. Just thinking out loud...  Schwede 66  04:32, 22 January 2015 (UTC)


 * Tony probably asks for and gets more special occasion requests than anyone. I think he can stand not having this one being granted, officially or not. BlueMoonset (talk) 09:06, 22 January 2015 (UTC)


 * Symbol question.svg Back to square one. The version I reviewed was all nicely referenced, but an editor has gone through and removed every single reference from the section 'Main cast', and most references from the section 'Recurring cast'. Not sure why somebody would do that, but in its current state, the article doesn't meet DYK requirements. And upon request, I've gone back and checked this version for copyviolations. I've run the first 10 refs through the duplication detector and the were clean.  Schwede 66  18:14, 23 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Cast refs restored.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 22:50, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Symbol confirmed.svg Good to go again.  Schwede 66  00:18, 28 January 2015 (UTC)