Template:Did you know nominations/Ernst Königsgarten


 * The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as |this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Yoninah (talk) 20:22, 15 September 2018 (UTC)

Ernst Königsgarten

 * ... that Austrian fencer Ernst Königsgarten once performed in front of King Edward VII?
 * Reviewed: Kelvin Droegemeier

Created by Nicola (talk). Nominated by Cwmhiraeth (talk) at 05:58, 15 August 2018 (UTC).


 * Symbol voting keep.svg Article is new and long enough. I do note that the majority of the article is based on the book by his grandson, which is published by Horsgate Books. Info regarding said publisher is scarce (their website's down; not sure if they're still in business) and I'm uncertain whether they'd be considered reliable. However, considering the other supplementary sources, I'm convinced that the article as it stands isn't problematic, policy-wise. As for notability (since his grandson isn't an independent source), he appears to be independently notable for his fencing career. Hook fact cited to a German newspaper accepted AGF; I've modified the wording a bit. QPQ done. Good to go. --Paul_012 (talk) 17:40, 12 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Paul_012 Thank you for your comment. I am a German Wikipedian and do a lot of historic articles. Michael Garton did not write a "scientific" book in the sense of the word, thats true, but he always described carefully where he got his information from. The book is not exactly about Ernst himself but more about Michael's search for the history of his family, and he certainly tried to get to the bottom of things as he did not know about them before himself. --Nicola (talk) 18:24, 12 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Symbol question.svg Hi, I came by to promote this, but it really needs more subheads to help the reader navigate it. Yoninah (talk) 23:32, 12 September 2018 (UTC)
 * It does not seem to me to subdivide easily. It was translated from the similarly laid out article in the German Wikipedia and is much better written than many articles we see at DYK. Which DYK rule are you seeking to apply here? Cwmhiraeth (talk) 05:10, 13 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Readability, I guess. The article just seems like a list of facts, with nobody organizing or making sense of them. Biographical information should be in one section, fencing career in another, experience in WWII in a third. Yoninah (talk) 12:42, 13 September 2018 (UTC)
 * DYK has a number of rules and it makes it more difficult for nominations to pass through the process if non-rules are invoked. In this case the article had a thorough review and was approved. I think it is off-putting for new DYK contributors when their nominations are rejected for trivial reasons of style or format. Other people can suggest improvements but I don't think they should require them unless they form part of the DYK rules. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 18:36, 13 September 2018 (UTC)


 * Symbol possible vote.svg I have reorganized the article:, please take a look. However, I have also had to drop in a few cn tags which need to be addressed before this is passed. Regards, Vanamonde (talk) 19:57, 13 September 2018 (UTC)
 * thank you, that looks much better. I also did some editing and added his notability to the lead. Calling on the page creator to add the extra citations. Yoninah (talk) 21:42, 13 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Symbol voting keep.svg Thank you,, for adding the cites. The article looks a lot better now. Restoring tick per Paul 012's review. Yoninah (talk) 20:20, 15 September 2018 (UTC)