Template:Did you know nominations/Florence Nagle


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The result was: promoted by PanydThe muffin is not subtle 14:18, 7 November 2014 (UTC)

Florence Nagle, Norah Wilmot

 * ... that Florence Nagle was Britain's first official lady racehorse trainer?

Created by Giano (talk), Sagaciousphil (talk), Eric Corbett (talk), Dr. Blofeld (talk), Richerman (talk), I am One of Many (talk) and GoodDay (talk). Nominated by Giano (talk) at 11:35, 16 October 2014 (UTC).


 * I'm going to propose an ALT1 that is a bit more modern in language, replacing "lady" (which, unless it's a title, is archaic) with "woman" and other rewording for flow?:  Montanabw (talk) 17:53, 19 October 2014 (UTC)


 * ALT1: ... that Florence Nagle was the first woman licensed as a racehorse trainer in Britain?


 * Symbol voting keep.svg This article is new enough and long enough. The ALT1 hook is supported by a subscription only source and is accepted in good faith. The article is neutral and I saw no evidence of copyright issues. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:08, 21 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Symbol question.svg I'm having second thoughts about this approval. Although Nagle had just won the case at the Court of Appeal, both she and Norah Wilmot received their licenses on the same day, 3rd August 1966, and the article actually states that they "became the first women in Britain to receive licences to train racehorses." So we can't be sure she was the first and the article only states that they were the first. So what about ALT2?


 * ALT2 ... that Florence Nagle won the right for women to become racehorse trainers in Britain after an Appeal Court ruling in 1966?
 * As the proposer of Alt1, I'm OK with ALt2 if the lead article editors are.  Montanabw (talk) 07:14, 23 October 2014 (UTC)
 * We are supposed to try and link other articles if possible so how about:


 * Alt 3 ... that Florence Nagle and Norah Wilmot were the first women licensed as racehorse trainers in Britain, after Nagle won an Appeal Court ruling in 1966?
 * I think that would be a great idea - it might work better if it was a double DYK with Norah's article but that has already been approved and is sitting in a prep area, I think? Maybe I can call on the DYK and template experts (ping, ping  and ) to help advise us?   SagaciousPhil   -  Chat  13:06, 23 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Pulled it. It's here if you want to arrange for a double feature. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 13:28, 23 October 2014 (UTC)
 * I've patched the second article into this nom, and I'll go re-close the other one.  M AN d ARAX  •  XAЯA b ИA M  18:14, 23 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Symbol redirect vote 4.svg Both articles have already been approved by  (see Template:Did you know nominations/Norah Wilmot), so it looks like all that's needed is verification of ALT3.  M AN d ARAX  •  XAЯA b ИA M  20:54, 25 October 2014 (UTC)

Reopened, hook is incorrect. Discussed at WT:DYK. Fram (talk) 12:52, 28 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Symbol voting keep.svg ALT3 is fine. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 05:28, 26 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Shall we resolve this stalemate by having the slightly weaker ALT4? Cwmhiraeth (talk) 07:40, 4 November 2014 (UTC)


 * ALT4 ... that Florence Nagle and Norah Wilmot were among the first women licensed as racehorse trainers in Britain, after Nagle won an Appeal Court ruling in 1966?
 * I'm not entirely happy with that as they were undoubtedly the first two, despite what the Daily Mail may have to say. But I'm content to leave the decision to others. Eric   Corbett  13:26, 4 November 2014 (UTC)
 * As we seem to have something of an impasse I suggest we go with Alt 4 or we'll be stuck here forever. Richerman    (talk) 13:53, 5 November 2014 (UTC)
 * All reliable references agree Nagle & Wilmot were the first women racehorse trainers in the UK; Nagle's pioneering and funding of her crusade won her credit as the first woman, and Wilmot was certainly the the first the win a race. I really don't care what you use as a hook. This is all rather pedantic.  Giano    (talk) 21:34, 5 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Let's go with ALT4 and get 'er done. End the drama and get back to working on articles.   Montanabw (talk) 05:59, 6 November 2014 (UTC)