Template:Did you know nominations/Frances Jocelyn, Viscountess Jocelyn


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The result was: promoted by Yoninah (talk) 23:42, 28 January 2015 (UTC)

Frances Jocelyn, Viscountess Jocelyn

 * ... that Frances Jocelyn, Viscountess Jocelyn (pictured) was said to be an illegitimate daughter of prime minister Lord Palmerston—‌her mother's lover and future husband?
 * ALT1:... that the collages of the Victorian photographer Lady Jocelyn (pictured) were said to have "subverted the realistic nature of photography"?
 * Reviewed: Naomi Grossman
 * Comment: Happy to hear other hook ideas!

5x expanded by Ruby2010 (talk). Self nominated at 21:15, 11 January 2015 (UTC).


 * I've struck the hook because I believe it's stated too strongly:
 * ALT2 ... that it has been suggested that Frances Jocelyn, Viscountess Jocelyn (pictured) was the illegitimate daughter of prime minister Lord Palmerston—‌her mother's lover and future husband?
 * EEng (talk) 03:46, 12 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Works for me!  Ruby  2010/  2013  03:53, 12 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Symbol question.svg The copyvio check, date of expansion and QPQ review both seem to be in order. However, the sentence containing the hook used in ALT2 needs a direct citation. The citation(s) occur at the end of the paragraph, but not on the sentences in question. ALT1 is reliably cited to an offline source.-RHM22 (talk) 23:38, 18 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Fair enough. I have copied the appropriate citation into the lead paragraph (it was cited in the body). Thanks for reviewing!  Ruby  2010/  2013  23:50, 18 January 2015 (UTC)
 * (watching) I think we would need a comma after Viscountess Jocelyn, but it doesn't go well with pictured, therefore I prefer the piped link Lady Jocelyn as in ALT1, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:51, 18 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Sorry, that was my mistake. I meant ALT1; ALT2 was fine as it was (so you can feel free to remove that cite from the lede if you'd like). Specifically, this needs direct citations: "However, the historian K.D. Reynolds and others have argued that Henry John Temple, 3rd Viscount Palmerston was actually the father of Lady Emily and her brother William." Apologies again for my mistake.-RHM22 (talk) 23:59, 18 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Done! I have copied the citation to the appropriate spot. Reynolds claims this in their ODNB entry.  Ruby  2010/  2013  00:28, 19 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Symbol voting keep.svg Ok, it looks good now! As stated above, the length, date of expansion, copyvio check and QPQ are all fine. Both facts (ALT1 and ALT2) are cited to reliable sources, accepted AGF because they're on subscription-based websites. Nicely done. The article was a good, interesting read. By the way, I agree with Gerda regarding comma usage. Also, I rather dislike things like "it has been said/suggested/stated...", so I prefer ALT1 over ALT2 as it is worded, although the latter is more interesting, in my opinion. As a side note, that is a beautiful little portrait. I hope it gets chosen as the DYK image for that day.-RHM22 (talk) 00:54, 19 January 2015 (UTC)
 * I agree with the image comments, and prefer ALT1 also, not only because of the "suggested" but because it says more about the subject, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:18, 19 January 2015 (UTC)