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Güstrow Castle

 * ... that Güstrow Castle (pictured) was built by Ulric IV, the Duke of Mecklenburg in 1558 following the gutting of an older structure, built by Heinrich Borwin II in 1219?
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Created by Rosiestep (talk), Nvvchar (talk). Nominated by Rosiestep (talk) at 03:26, 10 October 2013 (UTC).


 * Symbol confirmed.svg Length, date, NPOV are good and hook is cited. Image is ok too. Good to go. Thingg &#8853;&#8855; 14:20, 30 October 2013 (UTC)


 * Symbol possible vote.svg Unfortunately, none of the three sources cited support key details of the hook. FN1, the slideshare.net site, should almost certainly not be allowed, as it appears to allow unmoderated posts from anyone: in short, a site of unknown reliability, and thus unsuitable for a Wikipedia article. This appears to be the only support for the 1219 date, though FN4 (the Nugent) appears to support Borwin, if under a different name: FN1 has Heinrich Borwin II and FN4 uses Henry Burevinus II (the unsosurced Wikipedia article is under Henry Borwin II). I have trouble with the phrase "following the gutting of an older structure", which seems based solely on FN4: the Nugent says "had been burnt down to the ground in 1586". The date is a bit of a problem (if the current structure was built in 1558, it can't have been burnt in 1586), but if the "old palace" was burnt to the ground, then it wasn't "gutted" because that just means that the inside was destroyed, not the whole building. (I'm not sure why the article says both "burned down" and "gutted", since they aren't the same thing. That sentence could use reworking.) At this point, I think a new and reliable source is needed for 1219, and one is certainly needed for the "Heinrich" form of Borwin/Burevinus; if "gutting" were replaced by "destruction by fire", it would accurately reflect FN4 without additional sourcing being necessary. The museum site (FN7) merely says that Ulrich "began building" the castle in 1558; it doesn't say it was even reasonably complete that year. (Any reason you prefer Nugent's "Ulric" to the museum's "Ulrich"? I'd tend to trust a modern museum over an 18th-century traveler for spellings.) BlueMoonset (talk) 22:17, 30 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the review. I removed the slideshare.net ref and corresponding content. I still need to review/work on the other issues. --Rosiestep (talk) 14:32, 31 October 2013 (UTC)


 * You're welcome, Rosiestep, but why have you withdrawn the article from article space while you work on it? I don't see how this can remain eligible for DYK if it isn't a published article there, redirect notwithstanding. If the issue is that the article will look unfinished for a little while, something like the Under Construction template warns the user that things are in flux, and there may be discontinuities or incomplete sections. BlueMoonset (talk) 14:55, 31 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the comment. I think this article needed additional work.  I'm sorry it took so long. It's back in article space. If it's no longer eligible for review, I understand. No worries. --Rosiestep (talk) 13:52, 2 November 2013 (UTC)


 * Rosiestep, I'll give a pass this once, since it's never happened before, but any future moves out of article space of a nominated article will disqualify the DYK in question. For this one, I've struck the hook because 1219 is no longer in the article, and none of the sources remaining support the "Ulric" spelling (FN1 and FN4 are the only two that mention him). Please supply a new hook. Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 14:54, 2 November 2013 (UTC)


 * ALT1: ... that Güstrow Castle (pictured) contains a museum related to the male line of Duchess Elisabeth Sophie of Mecklenburg's family? --Rosiestep (talk) 15:02, 2 November 2013 (UTC)


 * Symbol redirect vote 4.svg New reviewer needed, both of new hook and extensively revised article. BlueMoonset (talk) 20:37, 3 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Symbol confirmed.svg hook cited - size and age check out. Hook a little on dry side but amusing for its quirkiness. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 13:06, 11 November 2013 (UTC)