Template:Did you know nominations/George H. Otten

George H. Otten

 * ... that landscape architect George H. Otten served in the U.S. Army during World War I?

Created by Visitor7 (talk). Nominated by Aboutmovies (talk) at 08:04, 14 November 2013 (UTC).


 * Symbol confirmed.svg Article is new enough, long enough, it has adequate references with no evidence of plagiarism; hook is appropriate length and references are good.--Orygun (talk) 04:35, 16 November 2013 (UTC)


 * Symbol possible vote.svg I have pulled this one from the queue as the hook is uninteresting - millions of people served during WWI, a better hook needs to be found. Gatoclass (talk) 12:31, 22 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Yes, many did serve, but how many were landscape architects? That's the interesting part for me, in that you think of a landscape architect as more of a serene, peaceful occupation, which is juxtaposed against serving in a brutal war. Aboutmovies (talk) 15:46, 22 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Sorry, but I don't find that argument persuasive either - lots of people who normally work in peaceful occupations enlist in war, apart from which, I don't think many readers would see the connection. Gatoclass (talk) 02:07, 23 November 2013 (UTC)


 * ALT1: ... that George H. Otten completed the landscaping plan for the Oregon State Capitol mall and was responsible for the placement of Timberline Lodge (pictured)? Aboutmovies (talk) 09:22, 24 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Symbol possible vote.svg I am having problems with the sourcing both for the article and alt hook. Firstly, the entire first paragraph of the article is unsourced. With regard to the hook, I can find no mention of Timberline Lodge in the supplied reference (ref. 2) nor can I find a reference to Ottens in the reference provided for the Oregon State Capitol mall. Gatoclass (talk) 04:25, 26 November 2013 (UTC)
 * The first paragraph I believe was the lede which we usually don't have a requirement to be sourced, but now it is. Due to that source #2 is now source #1. The Timberline bit is on page 6 near the bottom; try CTL+F and search for Timberline. For the OSC, its page 13. Aboutmovies (talk) 06:45, 26 November 2013 (UTC)
 * With regard to the first paragraph or lede, it doesn't need to be sourced if it only summarizes content in the body of the article, but that is not the case here as the first paragraph contains facts that are not repeated. I have now found the references to the Oregon State Capitol and Timberline Lodge (I don't know why they didn't come up on my previous search), but I still haven't found a reference to the Capitol mall specifically, the reference only appears to refer to the grounds. Gatoclass (talk) 11:05, 26 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Page 13, first sentence of the first full paragraph: "George Otten, the State Highway Department landscape engineer, completed the landscaping plans for the new Capitol mall..." Aboutmovies (talk) 08:03, 27 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Symbol confirmed.svg Okay, I found it - seems the search function is not working properly for me on pdfs, I suspect because the full pdf is not loading until needed. The alt looks fine now, thanks. Gatoclass (talk) 12:25, 27 November 2013 (UTC)