Template:Did you know nominations/German torpedo boat T23


 * The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as |this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by SL93 (talk) 12:21, 25 November 2018 (UTC)

German torpedo boat T23

 * ... that when the blockade runner MV Alsterufer (pictured) the German torpedo boat T23 had orders to protect was sunk by a Royal Air Force bomber, the German ship continued to the rendezvous point where two British cruisers were instead? Source: page 98 of
 * ALT1:... that instead of meeting the blockade runner MV Alsterufer (pictured) at a fixed rendezvous point in the Atlantic Ocean, the German torpedo boat T23 encountered two British cruisers, Alsterufer having been sunk by a Royal Air Force bomber? Source: page 98 of
 * ALT2:... that instead of meeting the blockade runner MV Alsterufer (pictured) at a fixed rendezvous point in the Atlantic Ocean, the German torpedo boat T23 encountered two British cruisers? Source: page 149 of & page 98 of
 * ALT3:... that the British admiralty, after sinking the blockade runner MV Alsterufer (pictured), sent two cruisers at Alsterufers rendezvous point to intercept the German torpedo boat T23'? Source: page 149 of * & page 98 of


 * Reviewed: 4th DYK, not needed

Created by L293D (talk). Self-nominated at 03:06, 10 October 2018 (UTC).


 * Symbol question.svg New enough, long enough, fully referenced. Main hook makes no sense - stricken. AGF on offline sources. Main hook (233 characters) and ALT1 (238 characters) are too long. No QPQ required. Image has appropriate licence.    Hawkeye7   (discuss)  10:20, 24 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Added two more ones. L293D (☎ • ✎) 12:24, 24 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Symbol voting keep.svg Good to go.  Hawkeye7   (discuss)  12:49, 24 October 2018 (UTC)


 * Symbol possible vote.svg does not meet rule 3b, please revise and update. MPS1992 (talk) 22:11, 24 October 2018 (UTC)
 * what exactly is wrong? DYK rule 3b, located at Did you know, point b, is applied. L293D (☎ • ✎) 23:12, 24 October 2018 (UTC)
 * See 3b at Did you know. MPS1992 (talk) 23:37, 24 October 2018 (UTC)
 * He means the requirement for the footnote at the end of the sentence instead of the end of the paragraph. In this case fn 9 and 10. Arguably they do.  Hawkeye7   (discuss)  00:28, 25 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Here, I simplified the source from 10 to 9, which is a bundle of individual cites. L293D (☎</b> • <b style="color:#000">✎</b>) 01:16, 25 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Huh? That footnote is at the end of the following sentence: "A Consolidated B-24 Liberator heavy bomber from No. 311 Squadron RAF sank Alsterufer later that afternoon." Does not mention T23 at all. MPS1992 (talk) 10:52, 25 October 2018 (UTC)
 * That's the source for the first part of ALT4.  Hawkeye7   (discuss)  11:45, 25 October 2018 (UTC)


 * Clarified. <b style="color:#060">L293D</b> (<b style="color:#000">☎</b> • <b style="color:#000">✎</b>) 12:06, 25 October 2018 (UTC)
 * The directly cited facts in the article now say "A Consolidated B-24 Liberator heavy bomber from No. 311 Squadron RAF sank Alsterufer later that afternoon" and "All of the ships in the southern group, including T23, were able to successfully disengage." MPS1992 (talk) 12:10, 25 October 2018 (UTC)
 * No, not at all. Fn 9 and 10 are cite bundles, meaning they cite several books and several pages for the preceding para. <b style="color:#060">L293D</b> (<b style="color:#000">☎</b> • <b style="color:#000">✎</b>) 12:13, 25 October 2018 (UTC)
 * OK, but citing the paragraph is not enough to meet 3b. It explicitly says Citations at the end of the paragraph are not sufficient. MPS1992 (talk) 12:19, 25 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Done. <b style="color:#060">L293D</b> (<b style="color:#000">☎</b> • <b style="color:#000">✎</b>) 12:25, 25 October 2018 (UTC)
 * The eligibility criteria refer to the content of the nominated article, not the contents of this DYK nomination page. MPS1992 (talk) 12:29, 25 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Is it good like this now? I've rearranged the cites so it specifically cites the Admiralty sending cruisers. The Alsterufer cite is already at the end of the sentence. <b style="color:#060">L293D</b> (<b style="color:#000">☎</b> • <b style="color:#000">✎</b>) 12:44, 25 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Symbol voting keep.svg Seems OK now. Thank you. MPS1992 (talk) 12:46, 25 October 2018 (UTC)