Template:Did you know nominations/Gligor Sokolović

Gligor Sokolović
Created/expanded by Zoupan (talk). Self nom at 23:59, 28 February 2012 (UTC)
 * ... that Gligor Sokolović (pictured) was one of the most famous Chetniks?


 * I'm not reviewing the hook, but I would like to point out that the phrasing "did you know that x was famous" is unwittingly funny. Isn't there an actual factoid on Sokolović that could be made into a hook? Dahn (talk) 14:25, 29 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Symbol possible vote.svg According to Bulgarian sources, this person is a Bulgarian who changed allegiance to Serbia after a conflict with his leader in the Ilinden Uprising. Unsurprisingly, Macedonians would, too, claim him as one of their own. You totally have to reflect that in the article instead of labeling him as a "Macedonian Serb" based on Serbian sources. At present, I do not feel the article is a neutral reflection of the person's origins or biography; the intro in particular leaves out his entire history as an IMRO member, which takes up almost half of the article.  — Toдor Boжinov — 14:58, 1 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Symbol delete vote.svg The article is based only on Serbian sources. This man was initially with pro-Bulgarian orientation, and a member of SMAC and IMARO. I.e. only later he became Serbian chetnik. Jingiby (talk) 15:28, 1 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Well, that the article is lacking Bulgarian sources you (Todor, Jingiby) can easily fix, instead of me trying to dechiffering sources I can't find (I have low to nothing knowledge of the Bulgarian language). I would be very thankful if you would add everything you can about his time in the SMAC and IMARO, and especially regarding the Ilinden Uprising. His post in the Serbian National Council of the Ottoman Empire clearly shows what he himself perceived as his nation, which is backed by all later events which will be added to the article. His allegiances is clearly stated in the article and infobox. The intro is far from finished as the article is far from finished, I haven't even started with his life after 1904. With regards to the comments, a hook that includes his stint in all revolutionary movements would be preferred: ALT1: that Gligor Sokolović (pictured) began his brigand life after murdering a local Ottoman lord, then joined the revolutionary Supreme Macedonian Committee, and then the Internal Macedonian Revolutionary Organization, then finally the Serbian Chetnik Movement, which would all fight the Ottoman Empire, and eachother, in Macedonia?.--Zoupan (talk) 18:19, 2 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Hook is little to long... Maybe some other propositions? -- WhiteWriterspeaks 22:20, 11 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Could we please get another opinion on this? Because otherwise this has stagnated too long to be viable. PanydThe muffin is not subtle 11:02, 30 March 2012 (UTC)

I will try to resume the current situation. Two users are concerned about the NPOV of the article because they say there are sources that contain information about claims that:
 * 1) Sokolović's ethnicity was Bulgarian and
 * 2) Sokolović was initially pro-Bulgarian

I don't think there is a reason to be concerned about this two points (a Bulgarian ethnicity and initial pro-Bulgarian orientation issue).
 * 1) Although almost all of the sources used for the same article at wikipedia on Bulgarian language are written on Bulgarian language Sokolović is defined as Srboman (Macedonians who declare their ethnicity as Serbian).
 * 2) Sokolović's initial pro-Bulgarian orientation is indeed included in the text of the article, like nominator explained. Not only within the infobox, but "almost half of the article" is dedicated to his "IMRO membership" as one of two concerned users noticed. Yes, the lede maybe could pay more attention to it, but I don't think that is a problem for DYK nomination.

Proposal: Based on the above mentioned explanation, I propose to compress this discussion within collapse box and to continue the review of this article without focusing on resolving the ethnicity issues of Macedonians.--Antidiskriminator (talk) 22:31, 2 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Symbol possible vote.svg based on no one disagrees with Antidiskriminator's proposal then I would like to disregard the disagreement about Bulgaria BUT the issue is being fought over on the article's talk page and there is a neutrality banner on the page. --Esemono (talk) 03:49, 25 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Symbol possible vote.svg - I don't know if this DYK is still viable, but the talk page looks to be less volatile now. I'd like to suggest a more interesting hook. ▫  Johnny Mr Nin ja  18:21, 28 April 2012 (UTC)
 * ALT1 ... that Gligor Sokolović was killed by his Young Turk guards while drinking from a fountain?
 * Pictogram voting keep.svg for ALT1. Nice one. -- WhiteWriterspeaks 15:05, 30 April 2012 (UTC)