Template:Did you know nominations/Gospel of John


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The result was: rejected by Yoninah (talk) 20:29, 3 September 2016 (UTC)

Withdrawn by nominator

Gospel of John

 * ... that the Gospel of John is the most theological of the four canonical gospels, containing structured discourses but no parables as in the synoptic gospels?


 * Comment: Open to other ideas for the hook; this was the first thing that came to mind but I think there's room for improvement in the "interesting" department.
 * Comment: Open to other ideas for the hook; this was the first thing that came to mind but I think there's room for improvement in the "interesting" department.

Improved to Good Article status by Jujutsuan (talk) and Cerebellum (talk). Nominated by Jujutsuan (talk) at 19:22, 17 July 2016 (UTC).


 * Symbol question.svg - it's not appropriate to say that it contains no parables, as that is evidently a matter of opinion and dispute: the article says "Most scholars consider John not to contain any parables... Some scholars, however, find some such parables in the Fourth Gospel..." StAnselm (talk) 00:28, 20 July 2016 (UTC)


 * ALT1: ... that the Gospel of John is the most theological of the four canonical gospels, containing structured discourses but, in the opinion of most scholars, no parables as in the synoptic gospels?
 * I believe ALT1 solves this issue. Jujutsuan  ( Please notify with &#123;&#123;re&#125;&#125; talk &#x7C; contribs) 01:22, 20 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Yes it does - the problem is that it makes it even longer, and it is far too convoluted for a hook. StAnselm (talk) 01:53, 20 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Now that you mention it, you're right. Do you have any other ideas?   Jujutsuan  ( Please notify with &#123;&#123;re&#125;&#125; talk &#x7C; contribs) 02:00, 20 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Yes, it's better to stick to factual claims, rather than scholarly opinion - even if that is approaching a consensus. This doesn't have a reference in the article yet, but how about...
 * ALT2: ... that the Gospel of John never mentions Jesus' mother by name?
 * StAnselm (talk) 03:11, 20 July 2016 (UTC)

I like that a lot, and I just added refs for it. But I would rephrase it like this:
 * ALT3: ... that the Gospel of John never mentions the mother of Jesus by name?
 * or


 * ALT4: ... that the Gospel of John never mentions Jesus' mother Mary by name?
 * Jujutsuan ( Please notify with &#123;&#123;re&#125;&#125; talk &#x7C; contribs) 03:36, 20 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Symbol confirmed.svg Date and length OK. I am going to approve ALT4 as the original is a bit wordy and as for the other ALTs, just because John didn't include it doesn't mean we shouldn't. QPQ done, no close para. No image. Good to go.  The C of E God Save the Queen!  ( talk ) 07:35, 20 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Symbol question.svg The ALT4 hook is not cited inline. Several paragraphs under Comparison with the synoptics and Representations lack at least one citation, per Rule D2. There are also a few tags on sections, but I don't think they are a problem for DYK eligibility. Yoninah (talk) 13:42, 22 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Actually the 2 citations do support ALT4, but the phrasing of the article content was ever so slightly off so as to obscure that. I've corrected that.  I'll get on the rest of the citations soon. juju  ( hajime!  &#124;  waza ) —Preceding undated comment added 19:39, 22 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Jujutsuan, it's been over two weeks. How soon do you anticipate finishing the work? Please let us know here when it has been completed. Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 16:00, 8 August 2016 (UTC)

et al.: I unfortunately don't have time to continue this process, as indicated by the break banner on my talk page. If no one can take up the mantle here and closing is the only other option rn, so be it. juju ( hajime!  &#124;  waza ) 02:21, 30 August 2016 (UTC)


 * Symbol delete vote.svg Nominator will not be addressing issues raised above; marking for closure. BlueMoonset (talk) 06:29, 3 September 2016 (UTC)