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The result was: promoted by Yoninah (talk) 09:33, 23 September 2018 (UTC)

Grasobern

 * ... that the Old Bavarian card game of Grasobern has a rather relaxing leisurely character that does not make the mental demands of Schafkopf or have the psychological stress of Watten?
 * Reviewed: Magnificat and Nunc dimittis in D (Wood)

Created by Bermicourt (talk). Self-nominated at 18:50, 23 August 2018 (UTC).


 * Not a review, but your description of the game as relaxing is possibly OR and is best quoted directly to a reliable source describing it as such. Catrìona (talk) 03:38, 24 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Definitely not OR! The actual citation in full says "Grasobern und Wallachen sind Spiele mit relativ einfachen Regeln und daher vom Charakter her eher gemütlich. Wer sich also am Abend oder am Wochenende nicht den Denk- (Schafkopfen) und Psycho- (Watten) Stress antun möchte, ist bei diesen genau richtig." gemütlich is always difficult to translate exactly as it means a homely, cosiness, but I've used "relaxing" as the word best applying to a card game. HTH. Bermicourt (talk) 07:15, 24 August 2018 (UTC)
 * How about "easy-going"? Edwardx (talk) 23:40, 24 August 2018 (UTC)
 * I've just looked it up in an advanced dictionary. "Easy-going" refers a person who is gemütlich, along with "affable", "good-natured" and "genial". Other adjectival translations for 'things' include: cosy, comfy, comfortable, leisurely, restful, quiet and relaxed. I'll ask our English-speaking, native German expert,, what she thinks the sense of it might be in English. Gerda, you're wanted! Bermicourt (talk) 12:06, 25 August 2018 (UTC)
 * I think "easy-going" and "leisurely" (different construction) might both work. Also formatted the hook. Sorry for brevity, need to go. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:12, 25 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks, Gerda Arendt. "leisurely" works for me too. Edwardx (talk) 13:21, 25 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Happy with that too. Amended the hook accordingly. Bermicourt (talk) 21:05, 25 August 2018 (UTC)


 * Symbol redirect vote 4.svg Full review needed now that hook has been adjusted. BlueMoonset (talk) 20:54, 8 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Symbol voting keep.svg This article is new enough and long enough. The image is in the public domain, the hook facts are cited inline, the article is neutral and Earwig could not detect any policy issues. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:20, 20 September 2018 (UTC)

I came to promote this, but the hook might need to be rewritten as the hook as it stands may not be relatable to non-German readers (i.e. almost all non-Germans might not know what Schafkopf or Watten are; yes I know they're linked, but still). Perhaps it might be better to just focus on the relaxing nature? Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew
 * It's really hard to second guess what readers might or might not relate to, but I've come up with this which makes it clearer what Schafkopf and Watten are about without compromising the source for the hook:
 * ALT 1: ... that the game of Grasobern has a leisurely character without the mental or psychological demands of other Bavarian card games like Schafkopf or Watten? Bermicourt (talk) 16:55, 22 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Symbol question.svg Hi, I came by to promote ALT1, and changed the lead accordingly. I added a "citation needed" tag to the last two sentences of a paragraph. Please also format the two footnotes that presented say just "Archived at the Wayback Machine". Thanks, Yoninah (talk) 22:24, 22 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks for that. I've formatted the 2 archived footnotes, but couldn't track down the source for the 2 sentences tagged, so I've commented those out. Cheers. Bermicourt (talk) 08:14, 23 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Symbol voting keep.svg Thank you. Restoring tick per Cwmhiraeth's review. Yoninah (talk) 09:32, 23 September 2018 (UTC)