Template:Did you know nominations/Gravel Run


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The result was: promoted by 97198 (talk) 03:21, 12 December 2014 (UTC)

Gravel Run

 * ... that Gravel Run used to be on the border of Catawissa Township in Columbia County, Pennsylvania, but is now on the border of Rush and Upper Augusta Townships, in Northumberland County, Pennsylvania?
 * Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Sahashi Shigeru

Moved to mainspace by Jakec (talk). Self nominated at 12:00, 28 October 2014 (UTC).


 * Symbol confirmed.svg New enough, long enough, and free of any apparent major policy issues (the article is neutral, very well cited, and there are no instances of copyright violations or close paraphrasing). The hook is just under the 200 character limit, is composed of statements that are properly cited in the article, and is (in my opinion) interesting. Also, QPQ has been done. Everything looks good to go! Michael Barera (talk) 02:18, 5 December 2014 (UTC)


 * Symbol possible vote.svg Pulled from prep due to issues with the hook. Aside from the fact that "Columbia County" doesn't appear anywhere in the article, the claim is inaccurate: Gravel Run was only on the border of Catawissa Township, which was then in Northumberland County, from 1785 when Catawissa was formed to 1788 when Catawissa was split, and Gravel Run was in the part that was renamed. Further, Columbia County wasn't split off from Northumberland until 1813, well after these events. This points up an issue I have with the article in general: it uses the word "historically" to create the impression of importance or a long-lasting state of affairs while shirking on detail. I expect there to be more than a brief three-year life in Catawissa when "historically" is used (and what came before Catawissa?), just as I expect more information about the mill. (I'm actually puzzled by this latter, since the source very clearly gives the full name of Henry Lacock, and states that in 1820 he had a saw mill and grist mill on Gravel Run (it may have been a two-in-one mill, but it specifically mentions both, while the article just gives his last name, mill, and "historically"). I'm puzzled as to why two bridges and a campground are in the History section, and to my mind, a Geography section that consists of four sentences in three paragraphs is an issue as well. BlueMoonset (talk) 17:51, 7 December 2014 (UTC)


 * Good catch, BlueMoonset. As you seem to have a much better grasp on the intricacies of this article than I do, I'll let you take control of the review from here. Michael Barera (talk) 18:14, 7 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Symbol redirect vote 4.svg I see no problem with the hook. The rest of the things you mention are GA/FA things, not DYK matters. --Jakob (talk)  20:51, 8 December 2014 (UTC)


 * Jakec, I've struck the original hook, and you will have to propose a new one. I am surprised that you can't see that your hook claim is inaccurate—that Gravel Run was never on the border of Catawissa Township when it was in Columbia County, because it was on the Catawissa border from 1785 through 1788 only, but Columbia didn't exist until 1813. As for the rest, they aren't GA/FA things, but basic quality issues, and not to be dismissed so lightly; I'm glad to see that you've made some edits to address them. BlueMoonset (talk) 22:40, 8 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Aaah. Now I see. In which case,
 * ALT1:  ... that Gravel Run used to be on the border of Catawissa Township, but is now on the border of Rush and Upper Augusta Townships, in Northumberland County, Pennsylvania?
 * ALT2:  ... that Gravel Run was on the border of Catawissa Township for only three years? --Jakob (talk)  22:48, 8 December 2014 (UTC)


 * Symbol confirmed.svg ALT2 is approved; inline sources have been upgraded and paragraph it was in expanded. Because of this expansion, and because Gravel Run was on the border of a great many townships over the years, I thought the three-year hook worked best: among other things, it made me wonder whether the border moved or the creek did. BlueMoonset (talk) 21:01, 10 December 2014 (UTC)