Template:Did you know nominations/Gryta Church


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The result was: promoted by Bob Amnertiopsis ∴ChatMe! 17:50, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

Gryta Church

 * ... that no one knows how old Medieval Gryta Church (pictured) really is?
 * ALT1:... that Gryta Church (pictured) preserves paintings attributed to Albertus Pictor?
 * Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Mustang wine

Created by Yakikaki (talk), Krenakarore (talk), W.carter (talk). Nominated by Yakikaki (talk) at 18:49, 10 June 2014 (UTC).


 * Symbol question.svg The source for the unknown data of the church, a web site called "spotting history", in turn lists Wikipedia as a source. This violates WP:CIRCULAR and makes it an unreliable source for that fact. (I didn't review the rest of the article carefully, so someone still needs to do that.) —David Eppstein (talk) 18:30, 15 June 2014 (UTC)
 * I have to agree the source is not very good. I've removed the sentence, and if someone who knows how to make strikethrough could do it for the first hook, that'd be great. Let's go for ALT 1. Thanks for the heads up. Yakikaki (talk) 15:39, 16 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Sorry, it should obviously be ALT 2... that Gryta Church (pictured) preserves paintings attributed to a student of Albertus Pictor?
 * Symbol question.svg Per DYK Reviewing guide In addition to at least 1,500 characters of readable prose, the article must not be a stub. This requires a judgement call, since there is no mechanical stub definition (see the Croughton-London rule). If an article is, in fact, a stub, you should temporarily reject the nomination; if the article is not a stub, ensure that it is correctly marked as a non-stub, by removing any stub template(s) in the article, and changing any talk-page assessments to start-class or higher. — Maile (talk) 21:47, 16 June 2014 (UTC)
 * ✅ Krenakarore  TK 08:50, 17 June 2014 (UTC)
 * "Albertus Pictor and his workshop have painted around 30 churches in the middle of Sweden" (ica.princeton.edu). When a source attributes paintings to his disciples, it is in fact referring to the master. Krenakarore  TK 08:51, 17 June 2014 (UTC)
 * ✅ Verifying the stub was removed from the article. — Maile (talk) 11:37, 17 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Ehm, I don't want to shoot myself in the foot here, but I've checked around a bit more and all sources I can access point out that it was probably a student of the painter. If it was the painter, I'm quite sure they would have written so. I know for a fact that he signed some of his work. The fact that Albertus Pictor ran a big workshop and had many pupils doesn't mean he did all the work himself, after all? As far as I can tell, it merely complicates attributions... ;) But I may have misunderstood, and in any case, we have Alts for both alternatives. Let me know what you think, Krenakarore, am I confusing myself here? :-) Yakikaki (talk) 14:31, 17 June 2014 (UTC)
 * No. I think that for a good reader half a word is a complete sentence. We go with ALT2 :) ! Krenakarore  TK 17:33, 17 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Symbol question.svg I understand that the above issues are now resolved. New enough (for 10 June) and long enough. QPQ done. No problems with disambig links; external links all accessible. ALT2 hook is acceptable and short enough, and is sourced with citations #4 and #5 of which most of the content is offline, accepted AGF. No copyvio or close paraphrasing found. Hook image is free and appears in article. Both article images are free. Issues: (1) "Beautiful(ly) and "proportioned" as used here are weasel words which need to be either removed or quoted and cited. (2) The ends of several paragraphs are not referenced. If issues 1 and 2 can be resolved, then this nom should be OK. --Storye book (talk) 14:36, 27 June 2014 (UTC)
 * ✅ Issues 1 & 2 ! Krenakarore  TK 15:03, 27 June 2014 (UTC)


 * Symbol voting keep.svg Thank youKrenakarore. All issues resolved. There are still some paras without citations right at the end, but they have sufficient citation throughout. Good to go.--Storye book (talk) 16:52, 27 June 2014 (UTC)