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Hanacpachap cussicuinin, Juan Pérez Bocanegra

 * ... that "Hanacpachap cussicuinin", a Quechua hymn printed in 1631 by Juan Pérez Bocanegra, was the earliest polyphonic vocal work printed in the Americas?
 * Reviewed: Yamaha NS-10
 * Comment: Image isn't so great at this size, so I've left out "(pictured)"; go ahead and add it if you need a picture when updating.

Created by Rigadoun (talk). Self nominated at 09:00, 19 January 2014 (UTC).


 * Symbol question.svg I have looked at both related articles. Thank you, interesting. Age and length are fine. Some sources say "it is one of" but I will assume your sources confirm its "the first". Actually I think its more remarkable that the first printed polyphonic vocal work wasn't in a European language. Can I suggest


 * ... that "Hanacpachap cussicuinin", the earliest printed polyphonic vocal work in the Americas (pictured), was published by Juan Pérez Bocanegra in the Quechua language?
 * (Pity someone cannot record a snippet with a free licence as it would help this get a picture slot at DYK). I can't see any other issues although I think you need two QPQs. Victuallers (talk) 12:54, 19 January 2014 (UTC)


 * Rigadoun, since it's many years since you've submitted a DYK, you probably are not aware that we've instituted a quid pro quo (QPQ) system where each self-nominated article (beyond the first five, which you've clearly done since you have the 25 DYK medal from 2007) must be matched by a QPQ review of another nomination. I imagine the criteria for articles and hooks has also changed over the years: the rules are at WP:DYK and further explicated at WP:DYKSG.


 * I've sung Hanacpachap a number of times, so I'm surprised to see it described as "polyphonic"; it's always struck me as a homophonic piece. Indeed, the article does say it's in "homorhythmic syllabic style", which would seem to militate against polyphony, since the parts mostly move together with the occasional delayed entrance or staggered cadence. BlueMoonset (talk) 00:10, 20 January 2014 (UTC)


 * I meant polyphonic just in the sense of having more than one voice; the texture really is quite homophonic, as you say. (I think some plainchant must have been printed earlier.) Maybe "multipart" instead of "polyphonic"? Or "four-part"? That's not as big a claim, but it might be more familiar term for readers. I agree that the really interesting part is that it's not a European language. Here's another try:


 * ALT2: ... that the first four-part vocal work printed in the Americas was "Hanacpachap cussicuinin", published by Juan Pérez Bocanegra in the Quechua language?
 * I'll also do another QPQ in a moment. It has been a long time since I submitted a DYK, it seems so formal now! The rules are pretty much as I remember, though. Rigadoun (talk) 05:39, 20 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Second QPQ: Ravana Chhaya. Rigadoun (talk) 06:41, 20 January 2014 (UTC)
 * As you say, it has got very formal. So although I'm entirely convinced that your hook is correct... the process now has a meta-review that requires compliance. So if I look at the hook we have an AGF that this is the first polyphonic piece in the Americas. "Four-part" as you say does seem a narrower claim so we need a ref at the end of the sentence that says its four part to comply with DYK rules. More importantly, thanks and best wishes Victuallers (talk) 10:54, 25 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Symbol confirmed.svg I found a ref and added it so alt2 is fine. Actually the text refers to the four parts so its well covered. Thanks Victuallers (talk) 21:51, 25 January 2014 (UTC)